The Bookish Hour
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You might know us from Thirty Talks but after a few weeks we realized that we really still talk about books mostly so we needed a new name. We have combined the best parts from The Smutty Book Podcast (no longer available) and The Thirty Talks Podcast and come up we a NEW and IMPROVED podcast.
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Welcome to The Bookish Hour with Jor & Fab...
The Bookish Hour
Dark Verse Recap & The Syndicater Predictions
Step into the mysterious and thrilling world of RuNyx's Dark Verse world, where complex characters and twisting plots keep us riveted. We dive deep into the intricate dynamics between Tristan "The Predator" Caine and Morana, unraveling the unique storytelling choices that make this series unforgettable. From the five books in the series refreshing take on character development to the intense chemistry that leaves us yearning for more, we celebrate RuNyx's artful storytelling and speculate on the next heart-stopping moments that await us.
As we venture further into the series, the anticipation builds around character arcs and the dramatic revelations that lie ahead. We explore the evolving roles of Amara and Moana, dissect the complex family ties between Alpha and Dante, and eagerly predict the emotional reunions that may unfold. The prospect of uncovering secrets and the bittersweet realization of the series' nearing conclusion promise a thrilling rollercoaster of emotions.
Join us as we cherish the journey, savoring each twist and turn in a world where every chapter offers a new adventure.
Dark Verse Reading Order
The Predator
The Reaper
The Emperor
The Finisher
The Annihilator
The Syndicater (releasing November 15th 2024)
Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
Contact email: thebookishhourpod@gmail.com
Intro/Outro music: Season Two: Ramaramaray by Aiyo via Epidemic Sound Season One: Sweet Psycho via TikTok’s Offical Sound Studio on Capcut
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Jordan:I'm going to talk about my good week because I just I opened it up.
Jordan:Um, my good week is doing this taylor swift reel and I don't know, I don't know if you saw it, but I posted it on TikTok and it's like kind of blowing up and I just I just got a comment and I'm like gonna read some of them because it I honestly though I would die if Taylor Swift saw this like, please, universe, let Taylor Swift see this real. Um, but someone commented going really Swifties know that they panned around her right side and, technically, nick panned around my left and I was like you right, you right, I guess I'm not a real one, um, but I like that honestly. It just makes me laugh. But then, like, people are tagging taylor swift, which makes me so happy, but I've gotten some um like comments being like I thought this was actually taylor swift, which thanks guys. Um, but I had one that was like this is the only one where I've seen the hand placement on the cat in the correct spot. Um, I got another comment that that was like close enough, can you extend the heiress tour?
Fabienne:like, so like the comments are killing me and I love it um, but I have not seen what I am such a horrible friend. It's on. It's on tiktok.
Jordan:You posted already on tiktok so I posted it on tiktok. But I also posted it on Instagram and it has over 160K views on TikTok oh my god, jordan, I know and it got me up to finally hitting 1K on TikTok. So I was able to finally add in my like website, like my bio site, and I was so happy. But honestly, I'm just like living for these comments. It makes me like it's just like so funny and, like some of them, I just like don't even like respond. I'm just like look at them. I like don't. I also just don't even know what to say to them. I I need to like look at because, like a lot of people are commenting like where I got my jeans, jbd so I'm just gonna yeah, no you, you replied to his comments, girl, you're famous now I know, I just that's, that's loads.
Jordan:I just need Taylor Swift to see it.
Fabienne:Actually, you know whether to say like manifest and just like, reap it eventually, like speak it into the ether and it'll come back to you. Oh, fucking hell. I know I just keep thinking like.
Jordan:Taylor Swift, please see this. Like taylor swift, please see this.
Fabienne:Taylor swift, please see this she's actually pretty like active on social media, is she not?
Jordan:she is more so on tiktok, I think I, but I don't think so. On instagram, I know she posts things but not like interact or like engage with other stuff, and also like people's TikToks go like viral because she's commented and I think people follow her that closely and see that like people have commented and or that she's commented and so Well, honey, don't give up hope yet.
Jordan:I know I'm like I'm holding out hope, holding out hope, I'm holding out hope. I know I just like I needed. Well, because, like I was just like dying seeing the one person be like, well, real Swifties know that they panned on her right side and I was like, damn, you're right. You're right, I didn't do that. But I couldn't get like luna, I had to hold her. I had to hold her the way that taylor swift was holding her cat, but I couldn't hold her that way with my right hand, like I couldn't. And I think that's because I'm a lefty, you're right. You're right, I'm not a real swifty. God damn it. I fucked up, but hopefully she still takes that now finally.
Fabienne:Well, I mean, if she's tagged enough.
Jordan:I might as well just delete the reel and the TikTok and it's game over actually, yeah, you're done.
Fabienne:I'm so sorry, I didn't want to be the one to tell you, but it's over, you're out three stars zero.
Jordan:So what is your good week this week? It actually still has to happen.
Fabienne:I'm gonna have my three zero Um. So what is your good week this week? Uh, it actually still has to happen. Um, I'm going to have my, I'm going to have my lips uh touch up. Ooh, ooh, um, it's uh appointment number three, spread out over two years, and I am just so excited because I am so fucking happy with the results. And, yeah, I am a little bit um I don't want to say like nerve well, I guess it does like it, I think it tackles nervous just a little bit, because I have a different doctor that I haven't seen before and the other two times I had like this one woman who was just like the most lovely person on earth and she was just, you know like really patient and just like um talked me in, um through the entire procedure, which really only took like 20 minutes. So it's really not that big of a deal. But I'm like if anyone is gonna, you know, like, poke needles inside my lips, well, why?
Fabienne:can't you get her again. Because I'm going on a Saturday and the previous two appointments were on a Wednesday and this woman doesn't work on Saturday. So I'm just holding on to the fact that everyone who works there is, just like you know, qualified and you know really good. So you know, but it has to happen yet still.
Fabienne:But, uh, I'm really excited, exciting I'm gonna send you a before and after. I mean, it doesn't really change much since april, but I'm actually really excited about that. So, as you should ask me again next week, and then I actually have a story to tell, okay fair, fair.
Jordan:I really want to get mine done, just like a little bit, just to match my top lip to my bottom lip. But I've seen something, so I follow Whitney Simmons. Yeah, I think the workout person on TikTok and I sound so familiar. Yeah, yeah sorry there, but she talked about how she wants to like there's a new I don't know if it's a new thing or if this is like part of it but mentions you get filler in your lips, not necessarily to make them bigger, but to hydrate them.
Fabienne:I don't know if that's a pure fuller, yeah, that's. That's literally the thing that I have. I'm sorry, I'm just stealing your thunder that's exactly what I have. So I have no botox. Um, I have I can't pronounce this word for the life of me hyaluron acid.
Fabienne:I highly ironic hyaluronic hyaluronic acid something with an h, something with y, and there is like ironic in the word that one. I like it. It's basically a body own. I don't say that right. It's like an element of sorts, if you will, that your body itself produces. So it's not foreign to your body, but basically, like, as you get older, you have like little fine lines, and not necessarily like wrinkles, but just fine lines. It's a combination of age, but also like dehydration in your skin, and the way to rehydrate that is to add more of this element that your body already knows, which is the word that I just can't pronounce. Now, my lips, they are not really, but they do have a nice form. I say so, it was really not, I didn't really want to do Botox, where you get like, where, technically you just get like blown up, so to say.
Jordan:Isn't that just. I thought Botox was only in your forehead and, like no girl, you could just put botox everywhere, like also really yeah, also like, just like yeah, but I thought it's strictly lip filler is what you put in your lip. It's like lip filler.
Fabienne:You could also just do Botox, but but then isn't that freezing your? Lip. I actually have no idea. I you know what. I know too little about the subject, so let me just stick with the things that I do know.
Fabienne:All right, I like that. Maybe it's also just like you know To do it guilt free. So I'm not like, just like you know to do it guilt-free, so I'm not like one of those girls who like, has their face touch up or have their face I can't print, I can, I can, I can do English today, apparently Also, maybe because I'm doing two things at once. Let me just put this back. I'm sorry, but highly Iran acid sorts. It's just like a hydration filler, but it makes your lips bigger yes, it makes them look.
Fabienne:No, it makes them appear fuller and they are fuller, but also over time it like gradually dissipates, like it leaves the body, because it's not a foreign I want to say, I keep saying element, but that's not the right word, doesn't really matter, I don't want to keep hanging on semantics here but it makes them appear fuller, but it doesn't really necessarily make them fuller. If that makes sense, it doesn't. But I don't know how science works either. So you know, there you go. Okay, okay, I'll just.
Jordan:I'll just let me just stick with the before and after photo and then just call it a day okay, fair, fair, good, yeah, so now I kind of okay, actually that makes sense in a way, because I thought, in a way no, because I think I always thought lip filler leaves the body. But I think lip filler sounds like it's two different things. There's like lip hydration, which is what you're doing, and maybe people just call it the same thing, which actually makes sense, because I do Botox, but I actually don't do Botox. Like Botox is the brand I do, zumin, so it's just like taking away the wrinkles in my forehead, but they come back. So I have to go like every like three to four months to get more in. So I like it because it's not permanent.
Jordan:Where I think filler is permanent. So you get filler in your cheeks and people get like the puffy cheeks, but I don't think that leaves your body, because I remember like seeing something about Kylie Jenner and how she's getting her lip filler dissolved and how that's super painful, but I was like I thought lip filler wasn't supposed to stay in your body. But I think maybe lip filler does and this, this like thing that you're doing, is actually what leaves, because it's not a filler. So maybe it like that actually makes sense. But I think kind of like everybody says like they get Botox, but like Botox is like the brand. Maybe that's the same sort of thing that like lip fillers.
Jordan:I never knew that, by the way oh, I didn't either, until I like started getting like the zoom in which is like but I, but honestly I'll just say that I get botox in my forehead because that's easier than saying like no one knows what zoom in is like, unless someone else is getting it done.
Fabienne:Is that like a?
Jordan:team's meeting. No, honey, that's not, but like it, and I think that's like, but I'm I would be too afraid to put any like filler in me. So but I want to try this like hydration stuff where, if it makes them look fuller you know that, or?
Fabienne:maybe it's just stuck like this you look like no one else can see it had a kid, had like a kid with I don't know who, but it doesn't look good on you, honey. I'm so sorry someone has to say it.
Jordan:I'll just be Dutch, that's fine good thing, my face doesn't look like that actually can you imagine, if it did though? Would you still be my friend?
Fabienne:can we reconvene this conversation another time? Jordan, claire, you know like not everyone knows this, but I do actually pick out my friend's face and how their looks on, how they look, you know, like awkward. If you were a redhead girl, I don't know if we could do this.
Jordan:Ironically, I have like dyed my hair red once and I've never dyed my hair well, I kind of I went strawberry blonde for a hot second.
Fabienne:I was just about to say you kind of did there period where I just realized I don't want to do sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Welcome to this episode where we are very serious and where we talk about bookish things and not bookish things.
Jordan:I want to see the before and after now. I need to like bring up now. I need to like look into this like hydration and lifting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I need to look into this hydration lip thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's safe.
Fabienne:Yeah, yeah, yeah Swell swell.
Jordan:Yeah, yes, you do. I need to do that. Anyways, brunix, sorry. So basically a recap of the Dark verse series. Oh, yes our entertainment and yours but ours mostly. Yes, I'm not gonna lie I mean because, like, technically, this episode will come out soon.
Fabienne:It's gonna come out before, like oh, she doesn't keep postponing the release date. Sorry, that was a harsh thing to say, because that was like she had like a fantastic and genuine and real reason to push it back so nothing, I was talking about our release date.
Jordan:Like the podcast, like this will come out before her, so it will come out soonish, like I'm thinking days from when we're recording this please ignore my uh 30 second rambling from now. I love it, but I do you plan, okay, I yes, so I've finished my reread. I don't know. You've mentioned that. Are you saying that you're you've read reread? Are you saying that?
Fabienne:you fully reread. Honestly, the rest is still like fresh in my mind.
Jordan:Okay, are you planning on also reading those again before the Syndicator?
Fabienne:Probably only the Annihilator, Okay. Okay, I think I'm going to skip on the Emperor and the Finisher. But I am going to the Annihilator because I feel like that's like the one right before. Yeah, and a finisher. But I am gonna the Annihilator because I feel like that's like the one right before and I feel like a lot of storylines get like you know the loose end, so to say, they just like get tied up a little bit in the Annihilator.
Jordan:Anyway, yeah, I feel like we should point out that this will be a spoiler episode. We're definitely going to talk everything.
Fabienne:The least spoilers.
Jordan:Yes, and with our possible, what we think the syndicator will be about. Okay, so we're diving in. I have to say, still my favorite man is Tristan the Predator Kane everybody Like he's still my favorite he. Tristan the Predator Cain everybody Like he's still my favorite Fucking dimples.
Fabienne:He has fucking dimples, he has fucking. Sorry, I just have to. I remember reading that part and I just like lost it. I think everyone collectively lost it.
Jordan:I think so too. Like that's just like I think that is like one of my Roman empires, like that just lives rent free in my mind With a couple other things, but that is one of them.
Fabienne:Just a couple other things. Fair Fair, the bathroom scene. Sorry, the bathroom scene.
Jordan:Amazing, Amazing. I just I don't know Like I love Morana and I love tristan and I just love like where I love that we get two books and maybe that's why he's also my favorite, because we have two books of like him and morana, and it is just like great. You get like the ending of book one where he she's like feel free to kill me, but like whatever you decide right now is what's gonna happen, and he's like, he's like thinking about it, he's like fuck, am I gonna do it?
Jordan:and with the gun and then he finally puts it down, and then they kiss, and I'm just like yes, it was so good.
Fabienne:Good, I also remember, like how surprised in a positive way I was that an ongoing series, back when those books came out, that Runix decided to include a duology as the first two books for this series, and it's interesting because I don't really see any author do that like it's really, it's so like up to par to who she is, like how she writes, like um, like with the plot twists and like the storylines too. Um, I, I'm actually really happy that tristan and marana do um dante and um um amara.
Jordan:Thank you so much, you're welcome I and, to be completely honest, like there were things I forgot because you know how, like you find out at the end of the reaper that morana isn't really morana, she's the reaper's daughter, and then I totally forgot the finisher zephyr's sister is actually morana, and then I forgot, I forgot that she gets fucking killed at the end of the finisher and I was like, oh my gosh, and I just I I remembered that hector was like the bad guy in the finisher, like he's the one that like he worked for the syndicate and things like that. But there were just like so many little bits and pieces that I just like forgot and I feel like like I forgot about Amara and the baby and like losing one.
Jordan:Oh, my God, that is true, yes, right, yes, yes.
Fabienne:And then she gives birth to tempest and I like just totally forgot that I know, I know.
Jordan:And then like the annihilator like which can I point out, remember when we buddy read the first two books and you at some point well, buddy, read on the podcast. So like we decided to, uh, book club the predator and the reaper, but we split it up and then we honestly were like this is too much, like we need to just read it. I don't know if you remember, but in one of those episodes you were, do you think his sister's still alive? And I was like I don't know, boy, did I say she's still alive? Yes, yes, because I think about it all the time. And I was like Bob was right, she was alive and she's.
Fabienne:Lila, how do I not remember this, but?
Jordan:you do. I have no idea, but thank goodness I do Because like and she has her own book.
Fabienne:Thank you for being you, jorah. Thank you for having such a great memory, as opposed to me, who has like Swiss cheese for a fucking brain.
Jordan:But like I couldn't tell you what I ate for lunch yesterday, but I could tell you something you said like three years ago.
Fabienne:We call that balance.
Jordan:Very good balance, but like I just, and then we get the shadow man which wait, who is your favorite dude? I don't think I asked you who's my favorite dude?
Fabienne:yeah, runix, dude, not counting gothicana, just from the dark verse, jesus um, am I too much of a cliche if I'm just gonna say tristan?
Jordan:no, I feel like he was our first.
Fabienne:I mean that is like he has two books, so there's like like there's more pages. There's like like there's more pages, there's more story to him, like who he is as a person. I love how he's still like your typical broody male main character, but actually it's not just like the stereotypical broody type of person, but he's like actually broody and just like somber and just like you, really not a recluse, but he's so introverted, like extremely so only um, you know. More open in his way, of course, because he still hasn't said I love you even. I know it works, but I just love a little tidbit and I think that's why he is my weakness yes, I think that's what I love about Runix's writing.
Jordan:She writes true to her characters. So there's no like forcing. But I do think. I do think in the syndicator that Tristan will say I love you too, morana, I I'm like so true a hundred percent.
Fabienne:It just like a circle, you know like yes.
Jordan:Yes, I also just love that he's like. I know they're all the guys are kind of like this, but I love how he's like one way with everybody, like men or female. But then with Morana he just like slowly opens up more and more, and then you have the enemies to lovers aspect thrown in and I just I love him so much so much.
Fabienne:There is this instance where he goes something like I don't even know. I think they're, they're at the, they're at Dante's like house and he's he's not like at his, like lake house, but he's like at the actual. What's like Dante's last name again I was about to say morana I wanted to I don't know why oh, moroni, moroni well, you know something with an m yeah close um, he's like at the um, maroney's mansion, and then he goes like she's under my protection, um, if you go against her, you're going against me.
Fabienne:Um, I don't know where. But there I have, I remember, this entire, obviously not verbatim, but where he's like um, defending her by saying like she's under my protection and if you do something against her, just know that I'll. You know, that was such I don't know where in the book this happens. Wait, can I look up the quote real quick? Can I look at it real quick?
Jordan:thank you, okay, wait uh, we are waiting and I please of course I'm obsessed. I also just like because, like you know how like there's like a lot of people just want like kind of closure in books. So you think, take like the finisher, where he like loses his memory and so she, zephyr knows alpha but alpha doesn't remember zephyr, and I love, love that he like never gets it back. Like they're giving it a shot and they're like working on it, but like he does and I actually don't think he'll get his memory back in the syndicator. I don't think that Like maybe Okay.
Fabienne:A book for a book, for a book For a book.
Jordan:A book for a book I like it I like it, so you said no I don't think, of course okay now, do you think he'll get his full memory back? Because I think maybe he gets like a piece of it, like he remembers something, but I don't think he'll get his like full memory back, like because runic's not one to like put that she's not, she's not gonna give us like that many answers, like and that's not an answer because, like I know, we know that they were together at one point, but I don't think she'll uh, it's a tough question.
Fabienne:I actually wanted to say you said I don't think he's getting his memory back, so I just want to say, well, maybe like pieces, but now you already said that. So just for the sake of like you know the bet, I want to say, well, maybe like pieces, but now you already said that. So just for the sake of like you know the bet, I want to say he'll get his memory back. Yeah, thank you for bringing that for me. I also have to go by the way. Oh, hit me. Okay, I'm going to try my best Tristan impression for you. I like it, I won't, I won't I actually won't.
Jordan:I won't, I actually won't. I'm sorry. He says she's under my protection, nobody hurts her, wait wait, it's not picking up your voice At all.
Fabienne:No, okay, rewind.
Jordan:Start it again.
Fabienne:So he says she's under my protection, mine. Nobody, nobody talks shit about, not anyone. Next time I hear you call anything less, I will cut your tongue out. And to your dogs next time I see you anywhere, kill you. Stay the fuck away from her, do you understand? And I remember reading that and I remember just like shaking in my chair like this is so good, this is too good can you take a screenshot it and send it to me?
Jordan:I'm gonna read it out loud yeah, sorry, no, it's okay um, is this something that Tristan says or dante says about morana? Or okay okay I don't know why. I thought you were saying it's more eloquent no, don't eloquent more reverse sense.
Jordan:Yeah, whenever, like the damn break, he gets, he's like very quiet, he gets very quiet or he is very quiet, but like when you like fuck with him, like he'll, he'll tell you like don't put me on a fucking leash, or you can't, like I'll like strangle you with it, that's like one of my favorite parts. Like it just like proves, because like that was like when he parts. Like it just like proves Cause, like that was like when he was younger. So it just like proves the man he's going to be. Okay, thank you. There you go. You read it Okay. So the fobs quote is she's under my protection, mine. Nobody hurts her, nobody talks shit about her, not me, not you, not anyone. Next time I hear you call her anything less than the woman, oh my gosh.
Fabienne:It's just like I know, and especially like that last do you understand? It just hits it, it just makes it hit so much harder. I just I remember reading it and just like shaking in my chair and just like this shit is just too good to be true. This is just, this shit is just too good to be true. This is just, it's just god tier writing. I know the faces that we make now?
Jordan:I wish we see it, but jesus christ, just the men. Honestly, it's runix's books in general like her writing, the men she writes, the women she writes. So who's your favorite female of the dark point?
Fabienne:I actually, I actually want to say Amara.
Jordan:Okay, oh my gosh, same actually for like her whole story and what she's been through, and then same with Lila. But I think Amara has been through worse. In a way, they're both. They've both been through a way. They're both. They both been through a lot and Lila grew up.
Fabienne:I mean it's relative, of course. Yeah, true, I mean I don't want to, that's true. I don't know.
Jordan:That's a good point, that's actually a good point. But I feel like the shadow man's never let Like she's had Like Groping and she Like she's had like groping and she's like been through a lot. But I think, amara, just that like one moment was a lot. They both been through some bad stuff.
Fabienne:They both have like trauma and they like behaves like the really classy lady that she is and I just love the dichotomy of her character she can be like, she's like soft and strong at the same time.
Fabienne:Yes Because she's, yes, soft and strong at the same time. I yes because she's yes, yes, yes. I mean, wasn't there like a post way, way, way, way, way, way ago? I think either ruin exposed it or stories where each book represents like an element, and if, um, the emperor was to represent an element, I think because of how strong, yet like, yes, soft, and like supple, like she like she's really, she goes gracefully, but just like you know, but like it's real.
Fabienne:Yes, yes, yes and I just love the like amara's grace, like grace, gracefulness yes, that's right um, along with her strength, and I think that's just like the perfect combination and I feel like I love mirana. Do not get me wrong, but she is more your, I guess, typical like geeky, strong-willed, strong-hearted heroine, which she genuinely really is, and she's not like your cliche, but she is like a stereotypical strong woman and I feel like amara actually has like both sides to her own story where it just represents this entire growth of a character and I'm like that's what I want to be that's why I look, I and, and you know, like all of them are very strong in their own way.
Jordan:But I feel, like what you were saying, like amara, we got, we saw like, and I think maybe because we got her when she was like younger too, and we saw her like growing up, so we saw like, essentially, her coming of age. Then she has something really bad happen with the kidnapping and like I mean, the people listening to this know, knows what happened to her. So then that happens to her and then she comes out of it and she's like she heals from it and she's still healing. But like we see that full, like arc of it and I I agree, like I think, and but again, like every single one of I think runixes, like women, are like a strong female character, but I don't know, I just like appreciate the full arc of marana's story that we got in her story and I think that's like very beautiful and very okay, there was no second option.
Fabienne:Yes, what?
Jordan:what do you think are some of the things that are going to happen in the syndicator, which I think runix has said? Is this the longest book of them all?
Fabienne:uh-huh, oh god which, honestly, I am so excited it's like kicking in, like an open door, because you know that everything will just come together, like all the couples will come together, like all the secrets will unfold. I mean, tristan will come to find out that Layla and obviously like the alpha them being, what was it like? Or just like cousins?
Jordan:It definitely, it definitely cut you off again.
Jordan:But I'll just go out and just come back, okay so you mentioned tristan's gonna find out his sister's still alive, which then, I feel like it we will get morana and tristan's wedding. Maybe that's like the last wedding at the end like I could see that definitely happening, because he said he won't get married until he finds a sister, so I think the book will end with their wedding. Um I and then you mentioned something about alpha, which I don't know what you were saying there well, isn't he like?
Fabienne:related to dante. That's what we found, out right like so yeah yeah, I thought that was my question. I think I didn't really remember if they were like half siblings or just like.
Jordan:Yeah, I think they have the same father like, but technically very still like, close, also cousin. They're like half brothers and cousins because they, they're their moms, were, were sisters like he like. Uh, their father raped alpha's mom then took dante's mom back. I believe that's how it came to be such difficult family ties.
Fabienne:Why couldn't they just like have one mother, one father and just like two uncles or something I don't know? Just keep it simple, just too hard to keep track of. I can't, I can't track, but obviously I think that will unfold a little bit more or, you know, like evolve a little bit better in the sense of like they, them having like two empires, in that sense, you know, dante having like the Moroni's estate, whereas like Alpha's, like running wherever they live, like I want to say the jungle, but it's not right Somewhere like Brazilian inspired jungle city yeah, no, I think it like a jungle because, like they, live in like a tree house type thing which is and tarzan is his neighbor.
Fabienne:Yeah, I thought so yeah, exactly that was a lame. Sorry. I'm here for it but I, I, I think, like the, I genuinely do not know. It's so easy to say like everything would just like come together, like possible pieces will just like. You know they'll fall into place. You know they'll come to find out who, um, the shadow man is. And, man, we know who the Shadow man is. Yeah, that's Dane.
Jordan:Yeah, we know who the Shadow man is, but yeah, no, well, they'll find.
Fabienne:Do we still not know who one person is? No, we know everyone now, right.
Jordan:I think so. I mean, I still was like for a hot second. I don't think so anymore, but I thought the Shadow man was going to be Dante's younger brother for a hot second. Oh, that is right.
Fabienne:But the autistic guy.
Jordan:Yeah, but I don't know I don't know now.
Fabienne:I mean, Dane is autistic.
Jordan:Right, statistic Right, and we don't technically know Like he talks about loving, like eye color and he can't like, but we don't know if he has like, we don't know his eye color. So like in the back of my mind I'm like but he has, like he. But like his backstory when reading the Anilator or annihilator or uh-huh or it's so hard so hard because I want to say syndicator or no annihilator or or just say it with an australian.
Jordan:Just say with an like an over-exaggerated australian accent, and then you'll get it across sorry, this but then but but he talks about how he was put in an orphanage and he like burned the whole thing down and technically he like he was in this an orphanage when he was like younger and that's like when he did his first kill, so like dante's brother lived with him for a while and then he was put in a place. So I don't, I don't think anymore after, especially after like doing my second read of it. But for a hot second I did think it was going to be the brother, but now I don't I'm dubious.
Fabienne:I don't know. I can see it. I can see it happen that Runix is just gonna like change the narrative. Yeah, I mean we already have like the long lost sibling of like Kristen and Lila, and then we also have like the mix up of Morana number two and the actual Morana who got killed in the end of the finisher so you know, I wouldn't be surprised if Dade actually ends up being Dante's brother, but then who, like? What was his brother's name? Do we know that?
Jordan:do you know that? I think we didn't know that, but it's just not jumping out at me right now. But the reason I said that is because, like Dante and Dane, they're both like Ds and I was like I can see that.
Fabienne:And we do know that Runix has a thing for names and like alliteration and just like you know symbolism and names. And does Dane actually mean anything? Let me just look that up real quick dane with two n's, because he's so special.
Jordan:One end was just too normal for a guy like him but I'm still very curious, like I feel like I could see like we talk about like at the end of the annihilator, or you, we hear lila talking to like the head guy of the syndicator. Syndicator, or yeah, um, the syndicate means you hear the head guy, but I'm I'm very curious who that guy is going to be. I almost feel like it's going to be somebody that we've already met but didn't know, like so I'm more time, I think, whoever the head of the syndicate is oh yeah, when we already met, because I could see runix doing that, not just being a ran. What if dane is just like dane and then the head is a brother plot twist.
Fabienne:What if dana's just like dane? And then the head is the brother plot twist I mean it could be.
Jordan:It could very well be uh now you know how every character is going to get a point of view. Do we think Tristan is going to get a point of view? Yes, you think so. I can't tell. He gets one point of view in the Predator when there's a flashback, but that's really the only point of view. I think we could get one point of view. I don't think we'll. I think I think we could get one point of view. I don't think we'll get many. I think we could get one. And it's going to be when he's like oh, I like, when he realizes like this is what love to Marana means, like I am in love with her.
Fabienne:Just give her chocolate, I guess that's. That's the thing now, right? Chocolate bars her chocolate.
Jordan:I guess that's that's the thing now, right, chocolate bars, yeah, but like you know what I mean, like I think he's got, like we'll get his point of view when he realizes, like, oh, what I'm feeling for her is love, like, so I can tell her I love her because that's why he why he has it, because he doesn't know what love is she's like.
Jordan:I know what love is, but I'll love both of us, I'll love for the both of us, and I think he's going to finally realize no, no, you don't think so no, yes, but I yes.
Fabienne:However, however, hear me out. Yes, I think that we're gonna get like a chapter from his perspective. Yes, I actually think that the realization of him understanding what love means for him toward marana and just like you know what it means for them, it's all written in his perspective, but I think when he says it, it's from marana's perspective, so we, as the reader, can hear him saying it as opposed to the one saying it. Does that make sense? Okay, so we experience it like Marana, like he says hey, I love you. But then the realization that comes beforehand, we read from his perspective. That's what I'm, yes, that's what I'm suspecting.
Jordan:I'm here for it. I am here for it. I would love that. Now, do you think? Okay? Do you think the first time Tristan meets his sister again, do you think it will be from the sister's point of view, from Tristan's point of view, or an outside?
Fabienne:point of view. No, lylas, ooh, excuse me, yeah, I think it's going be from lilas and I think he sees tristan like working his uh, his cogs and be like hmm, something is clicking, but I'm not really sure what, and then like I know him from before or whatever, or like I have this connection with him and they, I don't know.
Jordan:Wait now, I'm just Well, so cause Lila's seen her brother. So at the end of the Annihilator, lila knows who Tristan is like, knows that Tristan is her brother and has seen.
Fabienne:Tristan, that's true, I forgot about that.
Jordan:So I feel like I could almost see that their first meeting being an outside point of view, see that their first meeting be being an outside point of view. So you see the dynamic between the two, because I think, like tristan, I, I can't see it from his point of view, because I feel, like he, the way he is, I think we need it from an outside point of view because I'm just very curious how he's going to react like is he? Like I can't? I could see him like falling to his knees or something being like I found my like sister type thing, like, but I can't see him like running to her. I could see her running to him and like hugging him because she now knows, but he's still like in the dark, like I think it's like it's not, and then he's gonna like it's gonna take a minute for it, the connection to hit, type thing.
Fabienne:So I, so that's why I really that will be really cool yeah, so that's why I feel like it's going to be an outside perspective of that meeting, that first initial, I do think that, like the actual, like meeting slash realization, like the, the realizing type moment, I feel like there is going to be like a difference, as in a very open, like outwardly type of expression versus a very inwardly type of expression. I mean it has to be like yes, Finally seeing his sister.
Fabienne:You mean, yeah, but everything like what he experiences in that moment is going to be like very inwards. You see, maybe like facial expressions, but he's just like stoic and like just standing still. Basically just like crumbling from the inside out whereas breaking down, running towards that.
Jordan:that's why I think he's gonna be in like a state of shock at first, yeah, and then either like I see her running to him or him falling to his knees, type thing, like I I think that and then I could see it going back to his point of view afterwards, being like she's alive, like I could see that type of dynamic happening possibly.
Fabienne:It would be actually really cool if we got to see it from Amara's perspective. Amara, yeah, because isn't she like like her work in the books? She's like a therapist or a psychiatrist right. So I think that she is going to like experience it for like the reader's point of view, and then it's like holy shit, and then no one realizes what's going on except for them three, and then her, all them three, and obviously like Lila and Tristan but I feel like Amara is going to be the one like oh my god, and then, it was like what's happening?
Fabienne:it's her, like it's his sister, like. Well, okay, I feel like Luna is actually her name, right?
Jordan:not Luna. So yeah, I think it's like is like her birth name, but like I think she, I think she'll, I think she's going to go by Lila now.
Fabienne:Yeah, but I think, like the real estate is going to be like oh my God, it's Luna. Yes, I don't know. I agree, it would just be really cool that, if it's going to be like from Amara's perspective and then just like it switches tristan or lila, or even like marana, because because of tristan, oh, my goodness, I didn't even think of this.
Jordan:So I I'm like dying for that moment and I'm gonna die when I read that moment. But also for lila to be reconnected with her son again. Yes, that's gonna be like I forgot about her son well, but I mean, yes, see that this is why you got to finish the books well, or at least the last one. It was the last one again, like uh yeah xander, I think yeah I don't know, there's just like, but yes.
Jordan:I feel like also, too, like we've known that there's going to be like a book six, since, basically, book five has come. Well, we've known that there's going to be a book six for a while. Like I feel like Runix has always talked about there being six books and I feel like I've always lived in this like happy place of like being like there's more and we all like knowing that another book is coming. But now it's almost like hitting that. It's like it's coming to an end. Yeah, like it's just counting like.
Fabienne:This is a six book, right? So I was. I was lost for a second there. Yeah, I can't. I don't want this to be wrapped up and I know we've waited so long for good reasons, but I just don't want this series to end.
Jordan:Same, and that's where I'm kind of like at, because I feel like we've been in this like happy place of like it's not over yet, like everybody loves this series and no one wants it to end, and I think this is why so many people don't finish like the last book of a series or like the last season of a TV show, because they don't want it to end so like we're in this, didn't you know Jordan? Yes, didn't you know it's not just a river in Utah, that's the joke.
Fabienne:That is the joke I know. Okay, that's my joke.
Jordan:I wasn't sure if you were about to correct me and I was like that is the joke. But I feel like it's going to be and don't get me wrong, I'm so excited and happy and I will be like loving it every time I'm and like when it comes and I can read it. But I think it's going to be this weird moment. We must, buddy, read it, we must, we must, we must, we must, and it I don't make the rules.
Jordan:It must be a book that we talk about. I mean, we have to come back. We're doing all our predictions here. We have to come back with a book club, uh-huh.
Fabienne:We have to, we gots to, we gots to.
Jordan:Yes, I cut you off so what did you want to say? No, I'm just I just know reading that last page.
Fabienne:It's gonna like hit that, it's over it's gonna tear my heart out, might just not finish like if it's past like an epilogue. I'm not gonna read the epilogue because what if there's like multiple epilogues? Oh shit, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, then I'm just not to read the epilogue. But what if there's like multiple epilogues? Oh shit, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, then I'm just not going to read the last epilogue, jordan.
Jordan:But what if you accidentally read the last epilogue, thinking there's another epilogue, I don't know.
Fabienne:I don't know, just like leaf through it and just be like, okay, we have five epilogues, I'm just going to stop at the fourth, or actually stop at the fifth, because then I have read I can't, I can't count, I'll just see when I get to it. Okay, I'll just, I'll just decide. Or just like stop halfway, okay, because then technically I still have like a little bit of a story left, so technically it hasn't like finished. For me it's not over.
Fabienne:Right, it's not over. Right, it has not the end. Put in your no exactly then, or like the end.
Jordan:Yeah, she does. I think runix does put that at the end of her book, so just imagine reading that. Oh my god, I mean I cried.
Fabienne:Does she really like put it like the end or like end of story?
Jordan:No, this one doesn't have it. This is like the last, the fifth one. It just has like no one will hurt her again, never the vow burned through his bloodstream as he took her inside. And then it has like the asterisks. And then it has the Dark Verse series will end with book six, the syndicator, multiple point of views featuring all the couples, wrapping up the final threads of the plot, leaving a fitting finale for the series and epilogues for all the couples. It will be a lot, oh, and then that's it. So there will be multiple epilogues because she says with, and epilogues for all the couples, all the couples.
Fabienne:So, uh, yeah, yep, I literally cannot wait for this book to release, but I'm also like I can wait, because I don't want to wait, but I can't.
Jordan:Yes, I think I'm in the yeah it's.
Fabienne:It's such a hard life to be a reader, guys. I mean, it really is. God damn it. Oh, you want to last a mile in our shoes. That's not how the saying goes.
Jordan:It just like changed it just a little forward I like I liked it I liked it thank you, thank you yeah, so that's all I had. So what is it?
Fabienne:oh yeah, that's all I had, too sorry oh, do you have something else? No, I just wanted to say like what the date now was.
Jordan:Wow, my voice is gravelly, excuse me well, I think current right now it's november 15th that it's releasing 15th that's two whole weeks oh sorry, that's like before we even know it. That is two weeks, but that's before we even know it's gonna be here and we're gonna be like bam, bam, bam bam don't I keep burping, oh, fantastic, fantastic yeah you're welcome I know you were just dying to know I'm always dying to know when you're burping.
Fabienne:It's like it must you know, like a need to know, base type of thing, and I needed to know. I don't know why I said that I don't need to know when you're fucking. I love you, though, but there's a line. No, sorry, I should just stop talking.
Jordan:Yeah, so anyways, bye.
Fabienne:Bye. Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan:And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us. So catch you next time. Bye.