The Bookish Hour

Catch Up with Us: From Travel Adventures to Literary Escapes

• Jor & Fab • Season 1 • Episode 40

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Join us for a vibrant journey through Màlaga, Spain, where romance blooms not from grand gestures but through spontaneous moments and shared laughter. Fab reminisce about the joy of indulging in local tapas and wine, getting lost in the city's charming old town, and hiking, all while embracing the unpredictability of life and travel. 

Back in the podcasting world, Jor dives into the challenges and triumphs of producing our show, touching on the importance of maintaining strong friendships and open communication. Sharing strategies for interview editing, along with humorous tales of technical mishaps, she explores how teamwork and adaptability have been key to our growth. 

So, whether you're here for travel tales or the latest literary obsessions, join us as we navigate life's beautiful unpredictability with open hearts and curious minds.

Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
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Jordan:

welcome to the bookish hour with jor an fob we're back on track, hi hello, it has been a minute it's been a hot second, a few hot seconds, more than a few hot seconds actually been 2400 million billion trillion 46.5.

Fabienne:

I can't do math I was going to try to spit out a number two and I just numbers blanked on me just we're not we're not. We're not literally like numbers people, we're not numbers girls, no, no, this is why we like reading, actually how have you been?

Jordan:

let's? I just want to ask that first because I have like, do not laugh, I already like stumbled in this conversation. You asked twice where are you? I'm like I'm coming, don't worry, you know like we're gonna meet up tonight. I'm like, yeah, it was so funny.

Fabienne:

It's so funny because you were like you already asked me that and I was like, yeah, but you're not here, so where the fuck are you? So I'm thinking like at first I was like, oh, maybe like she got caught up in something, and then I was like, wait, what if, like, something happened?

Jordan:

You are too cute. Thank you for not going into the other direction of like oh my goodness, she just ditched me. I would never, I would never.

Fabienne:

Thank goodness, but honestly, my mind didn't go there. My mind went to a story you told me in the past and I was like oh yeah, yeah, Okay, fair, fair, but I'm here. I am present. I am also present, good.

Jordan:

So how have you been? What's up? What's new Give?

Fabienne:

me the tea, Literally nothing, Well, actually okay. No, nothing personal, but I know we're like. This is like a catch up episode. So I actually really want to hear about your trip because I know you were gone, Cause like, if people didn't notice, like technically a week or so back we skipped an episode because somebody went on a trip and it was very like unexpected too, because we couldn't like reschedule the recording session, like it was so nice.

Jordan:

I already know that I had the week off from from like work, um, but Jay and I we didn't have like anything planned um, and you know, of course, that we didn't really do anything over the summer, like we didn't go anywhere. And also, just, you know, like we're saving up stuff like for like the house, like financials, um financially, and such um. But then, as I you know, like I think on a tuesday or something, the week before we went to malaga, jay was like I booked us a flight, I booked us a vacation, I am not going to say where, um, just make sure that you pack x, y and z and know that plane leaves on Saturday at 7am, like what it was, I think, the most romantic thing he has ever done in his entire life. For me he is not like the surprise type of guy.

Jordan:

No, no like not at all. So you know how much I like I can just say this you know how much I really want to get married. And he is just like, really I couldn't really care less about marriage because I don't really point of it all. So I actually have this feeling that, you know, maybe, maybe this vacation is just like you know. It's's going to, it's going to happen, didn't happen. Spoiler alert.

Fabienne:

I was about to be very mad with you if you did not send me a picture that, like I would never.

Jordan:

If I had been proposed to, I would just call you up. I couldn't give a shit about the time difference. It might have been like three am.

Fabienne:

You better, because I see I see a call or facetime from father.

Jordan:

I'll be picking that up I'll be calling your ass out of bed like george. Something's happened and I need to tell you no that didn't happen.

Jordan:

Um, okay, still love him to death. So you know, all life's good, all is good, um, all is well. But we went to malaga and I didn't um until, like, say, we jumped in like um the uber and like to the airport and I was, so it was just, it was so nice jord, like malaga is the, it's like in the south of spain and it has like the best, I guess, balance between city life like, but like old town city life, and the beach area. Like there is a harbor, there is like very many like cultural sites, you know, there is like, um, there is a castle of sorts, more of like a fortress really, um, but it has like so many, I don't know, just like old walking paths, like there is like all these old buildings, like this incredible architecture, and just the food is so good, it's so good the out I want to say the alcohol, but just like the drinks, like the, the cocktails, the alcohol, the cocktails are just amazing too.

Jordan:

And I found out the hard way, because when we arrived on that first Saturday, I was like I haven't been away, like I haven't gone on a vacation in so long.

Jordan:

Jay, we must celebrate, we have to celebrate.

Jordan:

So we went to this one tapas bar, like at 1 am pm, sorry, and then the first few beers just started, like you know like, coming in and we just ordered and ordered and then it was I don't know like three or four pm and then it was wines and sangria, and then at seven we had like another wine bottle because you know why not this exactly? And then at 11 we had cocktails a few, and then the next morning, uh, I had a tough time, I tell you, I am starting to feel the age I can't drink as much as I used to like back in my roaring 20s. Um, I was sick, jor, I think that I think I stayed in bed, obviously from the moment since I woke up, but like until like at least 3 pm and I was sick and like puking and oh no, and it was the worst, and I swore of alcohol Since then. But obviously, like the same evening, or I already like, had a red wine because I just have no spine. Well, it's hair of the dog.

Fabienne:

It's hair of the dog. You actually got to fight fire with fire yeah exactly, and you did that, and I certainly did, and you survived.

Jordan:

I will survive for as long as I live.

Fabienne:

I don't know the rest of the lyrics.

Jordan:

I'm going to have to edit like the song underneath this. I'm going to do that. Okay, you know, like, on a serious note, malaga is and we stayed the week and, like I said, it has just like the perfect balance between just like you know cultural stuff and just like a relaxing week of what it was fantastic. I'm so curious.

Fabienne:

You know cultural stuff and just like a relaxing week of lying on the beach it was fantastic. I'm so curious what made Jay pick there, because he like surprised you.

Jordan:

Well, we did talk about potentially going away on vacation like later this year, and I wanted to go to Greece, actually actually to sakintos, like one of the islands, and um, the reason why he chose malaga, talked about it before. Well, like as an option, and since my aunt has lived in the area for quite some time, she's moved back now to the netherlands, but she, she's lived there, for she had lived there, had lived lived there for five to six years, oh wow, so I don't know, it's just like um, I think it was just like a familiar type of city in that sense and um, also, temperature wise, like in october, it um, forgive me for like the conversion to it's cutting you off. Is it cutting me off? Still, yeah, like what? What is the temperature there? Um, I want to say, you know, like, forgive my um conversion to Fahrenheit, but it's about like 20, 23 degrees Celsius, I want to say like low no, I feel like that's about right low 70s like high 60s, give or take, yeah that's really nice, that's like it's really

Jordan:

durable and also because of like the I guess you there is like so different. So even though it was I don't know I want to almost like, say just like a regular temperature in that sense, but it didn't feel like a cold temperature. I want to say like 23 year cold type of weather, but in spain it's warm, so I don't know how that works, but it was just really lovely and I would for sure recommend, I mean, if you were ever in a neighborhood, first visit me, of course, I mean, but then we can just lie back down how long were you guys there?

Jordan:

for you guys were there for a while it felt like a while, actually I mean a week especially after that first day wait question do you also like, when you're on vacation, always like lose track of time, like in terms of the days? I don't know whether it's like a Thursday, or like I'm just there and I arrive and then I leave.

Fabienne:

I have no clue which day it is Nope, and that's how vacation should be. You shouldn't know what day it is, and that's how vacation should be.

Jordan:

You shouldn't know what day it is you, just like.

Fabienne:

You should just be able to.

Jordan:

Relax, sit back, sip the margarita. Didn't have margarita there, by the way.

Fabienne:

Just all the wine and the beers and the cocktails.

Jordan:

The cocktails, the cocktail? Well, cock, I did have, sorry.

Fabienne:

As you should. Yeah, you're on vacation. That's like the best time.

Jordan:

Fantastic vitamin D Sorry. Anyways, it was a great vacation, yeah, so what did you guys do besides drink?

Jordan:

Besides drink. Well, we, oh my goodness we went on a hike, one of those. It's called the Caminito del Rey and it's just I don't know, just a hike alongside of a gas man, flash Keith of sorts, and it was a walkway that was attached to the side of the mountain. I have to show you, because I can't really describe it that well, but picture like the, the Wild West, like back in the day, and like the Grand Canyon, and then people would have like little pathways of wood attached to the side of those cliffs. That's the hike. So you're like basically hanging in the air, walking on a wooden pathway. That's just like stuck inside of the rock with bolts, and that's terrifying. I don't, I am not one that's really afraid of heights, but I can tell you that I developed the fear in that very moment. But, like I said, yeah, I survived. I am here, I'm present. So you know, all is good. Um, so we went on a hike and, um, I don't know you just like the beach.

Fabienne:

I definitely saw some beach pics.

Jordan:

Yeah, no, I mean just like in the afternoon, when the weather was just, you know, starting to clear up, because in the morning it was like a little bit dewy and just like a little bit on the colder side. You don't want to like force it, you don't want to be like that, coming to Spain, just like you know sunbathe and just like force it. So we did just like walk around like the old town, had a coffee, had some breakfast, um, browse the city and just like you know, I don't know, like when you're in the place, like that, you just little nooks and crooks and like hidden alleyways and just like pretend that you're a local. And I think that's what we did. And then, I don't know, it was like lunch, you had lunch and then you just it was lunch.

Fabienne:

He had lunch and then he just, it was just like wherever the day took you, yeah, but really we didn't really have much of a plan.

Jordan:

Also, normally I do plan stuff, but since I didn't know where we were going, I couldn't.

Jordan:

So it was just like, you know, we'll see what the day brings. And then, yeah, but it was really really lovely. Yeah, but it was really really lovely. And I go back because I feel like still after a week of doing all the walking through like the old town, I feel like I still haven't seen it all. Um, funny actually, because my aunt and my uncle they're there now this week and they we went over there like last week, going all over the place. Right now I'm so sorry, but they said, oh, have you guys like visited the um? Have you guys visited like this in this place? And we were like, no, I haven't even heard of the place. Oh, and did you see this and this? No, oh, they must go again. So they had like all of these like things listed that we have to like see again. So I feel like there is just so much more to see there. Also, malaka is just, it's a huge as place.

Fabienne:

It's not just like the town, it's also like an area of sorts. So okay, so you have to there's like you can't see everything in one trip no, no, definitely not, but it was really lovely.

Jordan:

And the craziest thing, though, this is like like an almost type of story, like it almost happened to you. We're now back for two weeks to a whole week already, but the weather there is crazy. Like there are like these hail balls almost like the size of like tennis and like golf balls, and there have been like floods. Um, cars are just like stacked and jammed up like industries like malaga, valencia, crazy yeah so you literally like just missed it all.

Fabienne:

Yes, that is perfect timing. That's also so scary, thank goodness.

Jordan:

Yes, yeah, when, when you did but, like I said, it's like an almost story, so it doesn't really you know. But still, yeah, true, it's just crazy to see like those images, like now on, like the news and such like, to see those videos. It's crazy, yeah. So yeah, that's what I've been up to.

Fabienne:

Which is why we had to skip a week. Yeah, I'm so offended.

Jordan:

I do apologize. How dare you week? Yeah, so I do, I am. I do apologize. How? You just have to tell me how I don't know I just did. Also, it's actually jay's fault.

Fabienne:

So yeah, we're gonna blame him. Yeah, we're gonna blame him.

Jordan:

Sorry, buddy you have some. You have some uh explaining to do.

Fabienne:

Exactly.

Jordan:

But tell me what you've been up to.

Fabienne:

Well, I feel like nothing outside of the podcast. So I feel like I kind of feel like I want to dive into how are you feeling Good?

Jordan:

Like taking a step back Like a therapist.

Jordan:

Tell me how that made you feel I don't know, it just felt very put on the spot. Actually I haven't really prepared an answer. No, I, I was actually talking about this with Jay, I mean guess who else and I just said I think this has been a great choice that I made. I do still feel a little bit guilty, I'm not gonna lie, but I feel like I have more. I I don't know, I just feel like the urge to engage more.

Jordan:

It sounds so we're saying that out loud, maybe that's not a way of phrasing it, but I feel like I'm more like energetic. I feel enthusiastic and looking forward toward actual like the recording, as opposed to before, because it felt so forced for me, or it started to feel forced and I just want I was like, hey, maybe I should just like do it on and off and just like um every other week, or just, you know, whenever I feel like it or however, like our schedule works, um. But I feel really good, I am doing well and it sounds so silly because I am not want to like mental. I feel like I have grown into girl.

Fabienne:

Wait, could we stop? Could you leave and come back, because I feel like I'm only getting bits and pieces. I'm so sorry.

Jordan:

That's okay okay.

Fabienne:

So I know you were going to say something about mental health okay, but I have no idea around there.

Jordan:

So I can also just skip it, because it wasn't really making any sense anyways no, if well, however, you want to well, I have never been one to I don't know like talk about mental health also, because it wasn't really just like discussing my upbringing. But I feel like I have grown so much into I don't know the acceptance or like the accepting of, like you know, mental health awareness and I realized that, making since this decision, I feel like just so much more like open and just more. I don't know just like I just want to participate again, I just want to record again and I just feel so much more I already said like energetic and I just feel like that's the right word to describe it all Like I feel so much more I don't know just like happy about it, like I want to do this again.

Fabienne:

No, that's good. I think you also mentioned did you want to take even more of a step back? Because I know you were saying like recording when you want to.

Jordan:

So because, like I know Well, not actively, not actively that I want that, but I know that we have discussed this like off record, so to say and use it like hey, if that's like what, if that's going to be like an option, or you want to ever like go that direction, okay, okay. So that's more what I meant it's not just me like dropping a bomb on you now and say, hey, I actually want to do this every other two weeks.

Fabienne:

No, which is totally fine again, but like I know, it also cut off and I was like, wait, is this her telling me she wants to go whenever she wants to?

Fabienne:

which is fine, but actually, yes, bye, never mind bye. Um, no, and I I'm glad too, because it's like I don't want this to ever be, something that you feel is something you have to do, like I think that's like no fun for anybody and it's like not, it wouldn't be like the best time, like time like as in, like you wouldn't have fun anymore, and I think that's like what I would never want and I don't think you would want either, in that sense, because I just wouldn't like I wouldn't I always like feel like I would feel guilty.

Jordan:

Yeah, oh, look at us, me too guilty girl seat. Yeah, such people placers I also.

Fabienne:

Well, because I do want to say too, like I never want like this to come in the way of our like friendship either, you know like I would never want, would want you to keep doing this if you didn't want to and I didn't. I don't want to ever have you think that I want you to keep doing that. You know any like? Oh, I don't know if that made any sense.

Jordan:

But I know it made sense and I know what I mean. Like, I don't know if that made any sense, but I just don't want you to come. No, it made sense and I know what you mean. That's really sweet and I I'm actually really appreciative of that. So thank you for saying that, because obviously same, I mean you just like worded it way better than I ever could.

Fabienne:

But yeah, um, but yeah, not yet, and I do have to say you're so welcome, and I do have to say too, like it kind of it's able, like you, taking a step back is gives me the opportunity to focus on like interviews, which I really wanted to do and I know you have been on fire.

Fabienne:

Oh, thank you. I and I'm like so appreciative of like us having that conversation because, honestly, it could have gone a different way where you were like I don't want to do this anymore and then we just like cut ties and like we're, we don't do it anymore and I'm so great I can't even imagine that.

Jordan:

I'm not gonna lie, I can't imagine that I I can't see it maybe happening one day that I am like maybe I just don't want to do the podcast anymore because also, you know, you're getting older, there's like other stuff in life, but I just can't see it happening, that this is going to come between us and cause like this drift or sort I can't want that.

Fabienne:

I don't want that at all. So it's like I feel like this was very good and much needed, in the sense of where not needed. But I'm glad that this came about this way, because I know too like you and I can see too, like looking back, because you didn't really want to do interviews. But I know we had a kind of talked about doing interviews in the beginning and then you were like no, no, no, and I was kind of like why does she keep saying no? Like I thought we had this plan, but like now, looking back, I know that you wanted to take a step back. So it's like it kind of comes all like into focus because I wanted to like run with it yeah. So it's kind of nice that like we can in our own way do what we like wanted to do and.

Fabienne:

I. So this is where I feel like people don't know is like like you were always the one editing the podcast and then you would send it to me and I would get it like ready for like scheduling and for like the release of whenever we decided to release what episodes Teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. But now, because I do these like solo episodes, I do the editing and, mind you, I'm not going to put, I'm not going to say any names because, like the episode will come out later and like you'll see it when how it comes about. But you gave me like the rundown of like how to like work Discord and then how to like edit and things like that, which I'm so grateful for. But one of these well, yes, because I almost had multiple panic attacks with this one episode, which I can tell you after the fact, but I just don't want it on the recording, because this interview was over two and a half hours, have never been over like an hour and 15, maybe an hour and a half that it would not download from Discord with the format you told me to download it, it just at the end would say no, and I had to. I was Googling because I was even talking to Nick about it and I was like I don't know what to do. And he's like, well, ask Fobb. And I was like even our episodes have never been over two and a half hours, like they've never even been over like an hour and a half. That's probably max and I don't even know if we've reached. So I was freaking out because I was like and discord, you only have six days. But, granted, this was like right after the interview. So I was like, okay, I have six days to figure it out, but I still only have six days. Yeah. So then I did figure out a different format which I was like thank god, so I got it. It's downloaded. I don't. I think the quality is still very similar, if not the same, which I'm honestly. The fact that I got it downloaded I was like thank the fucking lord.

Fabienne:

And then I was then trying to put it into garage band to edit it file. I was like, oh my, how am I gonna cut this down? Like I don't even know. And I was so stupid too, because in the middle of the episode we took like a pre-p break and I like why didn't I stop the recording? Then Like why didn't? I think, but my dumb ass was like no, I'm just going to keep it going. And finally I had to like delete a bunch of things. I think it was just I don't, it makes no sense, because it was still on my computer. It was still on my computer but, like, for whatever reason, my computer like files was too much so it wouldn't convert it into GarageBand. I don't even know what was going on. I finally got the episode into GarageBand, I got it edited and that is done. But like the amount of panic attacks I had because how do you go back to the person that you interviewed and were like sorry, I actually lost our interview, like can we do it again, like you can't do that.

Jordan:

So I was like oh my, I don't, I don't know what. Actually, I don't know if I could have done that as in like can you imagine if you actually had lost the recording and you would actually had to contact this person and be like um so funny story, I actually lost it. Did you by any chance also record it, or can we do it again, maybe like the?

Fabienne:

exact same way and make the exact same jokes at the exact same time, please, okay, thank you thank you, but I think next time I just want to keep track of like the timing and then maybe like if I know it's going, depending on like where we are in the questions versus where like it is in like the time, like actually stop craig and then bring it back.

Fabienne:

But I also too, I think like going forward, want to keep interviews, to like even conversations to like an hour, because even our conversations are anywhere between like 40 minutes to an hour and 10, but they're never like that long and I think that's a very reasonable amount of time.

Jordan:

I'm really curious about this two-hour type of interview, though you have to tell me.

Fabienne:

So, after all edited, it is coming to two hours and ten minutes. So I did cut a lot out, but there was a lot of things that we ultimately were like we're cutting this out, we're cutting this out. So it was a very good interview, like to, and then I actually came up with the idea that I'm actually going to split it into two episodes because it is the bookish hour and it's two hours and 10 minutes, right, and then it helps me build a backlog. So I'm like this is great, so I'm, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm going to do that, but the amount of panic attacks and like issues I had trying to like get this episode like freaked me the fuck out.

Fabienne:

So now I just know going forward, I kind of want to handle it like differently, whether it's like keeping interviews shorter or just knowing that I'm hitting that like hour mark and closing Craig down and then bringing him back to get like a new like yeah, so also might make the editing like easier if you have like two inputs in GarageBand or whatever program you end up using.

Jordan:

Yeah. Which I do use, garageband or whatever program you end up using, yeah, which I do use, garageband. Okay, yeah, if you understand the workings.

Fabienne:

Yeah, no exactly, and I think I have it pretty far down, or pretty, I have it pretty much down. But not going to lie, I do, especially like with the interviews, I do spend a decent amount of time editing, which I spent four hours editing from beginning to end.

Fabienne:

But I know too that one was a very specific like we during the interview we we both were like this will have to be cut out, this will have to be cut out. So it was me like pretty intently like listening, going back through and then like making sure it sounded right. So that was like on me too, but I think I kind of want to have it be maybe less edited. Of course there will be times where people are like I want to take this out or whatnot which is totally fine, but I just that was like a pretty brutal day taking that much time.

Jordan:

I can imagine. Yeah, may I give you some advice, though, with the editing. Especially if you're like doing interviews, maybe it might help you keep track, like literally of time If, when you hit the record button, you simultaneously hit like the stopwatch button on your phone and then have like a notepad ready with like I don't know like a pen or a pencil, and then whenever someone says like hey, I want to edit this out, you just like jot down a time in your stopwatch and then you at least know where to look, so you don't have to like spend hours and hours, you know like listen attentively to your own recording, but then you could just like like pick them out specifically that is a good idea, that is a very good idea.

Fabienne:

I think I need to do that because I think you need to too because then it's like, because I know too, like I was actually especially the first few I was editing pretty intently in the sense of any super long gaps, or if, like you know how even us, like we talk over each other but then when over you kind of edit, like if you were to talk over me, but one of us stops, likely the other person that goes back to talking ends up repeating what they say. So I took out where they like first said it and I know they repeated it, but, like some of those things, like it's not that bad no, it's also natural.

Fabienne:

But you just don't want like, you just want to have like the excessive stuff like edited out, like exactly yeah, and but like I feel like it's if I were to miss a couple or like, and it's sometimes like there are those long gaps of like silence but those are easy enough to find like in the recording that I'm not having listen to it like again. So I definitely want to and I think as I do it more, it will be easier to like find those.

Fabienne:

And I think having like a time limit to like keeping it around I mean it is the book of showers, so like you got to keep it around an hour- very true so, but I haven't had any issues where I've lost files, thank goodness, so hopefully that like yeah that never happens, and oh my god, it did happen with us, though, one time with them, yeah, but I feel like at least with us it's like less stressful, because I feel like we could just be like sorry, lost it, like let's, when we just recorded it again, like that was like no big deal. So I feel like that's like, but it's like it's the interviews like. I think I would die crazy.

Jordan:

It's also like you can't. You can't say face anymore. You're like I am so sorry, but I fucked up exactly, exactly like you.

Fabienne:

It's just like game over, like sorry, we need to, like we got to take the. L. I got to take the L and, and then it's just like yeah, yeah, like I said, funny story no, but oh, my goodness.

Jordan:

Also, how are you gonna split it and then into two episodes? How are you gonna end the first episode like, hey, are you curious, want to know more? Just tune in next week for part two.

Fabienne:

I think so. So like the format of this episode is very similar to what our interviews were in the past. So I it is like what they do first, then it's reading personal. So I think what I want to do is this is like somebody that I think people want to know, like what they do. And I know that's giving it away and, depending on when this episode comes out, it's likely that part one of this interview is already out, which then you can kind of put this together.

Fabienne:

But if, depending on when this episode comes out, I don't want to give it away, thinking is trying to cut it off, even if the first part is less than an hour, but still cut it off where there can be more of what they do in part two. And then I was just going to record something on discord, being like hey, if you're enjoying this interview with xyz, like please tune in in two weeks for the part two of their interview, and and then we still have our episode in between. So like that's kind of what I was thinking of doing, and then just like splicing it in a garage bin and then exporting it, and then it will be, and then I think I'll do like another recording, like through discord, being like if if you haven't listened to part one, highly recommend going back to that one. If you've already listened to part one, then continue listening.

Fabienne:

like saying something along those lines and then I still have like the intro outro, but there's that like little in between.

Jordan:

I think that's like what I want to do can I just say that I really love that you have taken this on like. I feel like this is where you thrive as well, like when, maybe because it's I'm not gonna dive in deep here, but we know vaguely on the podcast what you do for work, um but I feel like also because you working in like the sector, so to say, I feel like this actually, where you just like blossom, does that make sense? Like I know that you you are just so happy with this, and I'm just genuinely happy about it too, that you just get to do this.

Fabienne:

I I'm I'm like so excited to like be able to do this and I have to say it has been pretty like good so far in the sense of like the people I've asked have been very like interested and happy to come on, so I am very grateful for that like reason. And we had somebody like comment on like the reel I posted, being like something new is coming and I'm interviewing them next week, so I'm so excited Really. Yes, and they they look at you going places behind your laptop.

Jordan:

But you know just like.

Fabienne:

I know, and it's like kind of. And two, it's like I know with our time difference, Plus then you had to include the interviewees time difference. It was really hard for us to like all schedule it.

Jordan:

And plus, I have to say it was probably hard for you to edit too, like not having two different like recordings is hard and then adding in a third in the beginning it was a little bit harder because I remember like when we were we still like smutty we interviewed like Monty J you know like, and um, monty likes to talk like um, uh, courtney, she was just really like psyched about her, you know like debut novel, like her upcoming release back then, and I I wasn't really too, um, I don't know just like acquainted with like the two or like the multiple tracks in. So it was a little bit of a hassle but of course, like after so many times, you just get used to it a little. You know you're like you get the trick, you understand how like the workings and like how you know it functions and whatnot. But actually I'm just really glad that I don't have to do that. That's a nice which?

Fabienne:

is completely understandable, but it did make me want to think about if I ever not that I have had this happen yet, but if I ever had somebody that wanted to do an interview, like runics where they do a question sheet, would you ever do that with me, Like on one of our days that we like record?

Jordan:

yeah, yeah, sure, because then technically it's just both of us, so we don't have to like take into account, like no, yes 100 oh, exactly, okay, perfect.

Fabienne:

I was hoping you would say that, because I was like thinking I'm like I don't know how I would do that myself. I mean, I guess it would just be me reading the question. Jor question. Author.

Jordan:

Answer like so, but I was like this kind of feels awkward too, just like you talking the entire hour. Yeah, Although, to be fair, I do talk to myself a lot during the day, so it wouldn't make like that big of a difference. But you know, no, 100% I'll join. Yes.

Fabienne:

Oh, perfect, because I want to like give that like option. I know I really only ask people that are more forward facing, so I know they wouldn't mind having like their voice. But I know there's some people that I want to interview but they're not as forward facing, so I want to give them the option of like a question sheet. But I definitely wanted to ask you first before. I give you that option.

Jordan:

That's very kind and considerate of you. Thank you.

Fabienne:

I don't know why I lapsed into the English accent. I liked it, sorry I liked it.

Jordan:

This is completely unrelated, but it just like bubbled up. Have you seen? Um Fuck, it's a new series on Netflix with um.

Fabienne:

Nobody Wants this. Yes, seen um, fuck it's a new series on netflix with nobody wants this. Yes, yes, I have you finished it. I am obsessed with that show.

Jordan:

I love it.

Fabienne:

It is so good. Have you seen those like memes where it's like I have to see if I can find them because they are epic?

Jordan:

and I need to say them correctly um, but I what. What I love about it is just how it makes me think of our podcast, like with the sisters, and like how, how they're like, stop talking. We have to save this for the podcast.

Fabienne:

I'm like that's so us, by the way yes, no, and like I feel, because I feel like we talked all the time but then we stopped talking because it was always like save it for the podcast, save it for the podcast, but okay. So these are a bunch of like different, like tweets that people did because of the show and I'm just going to read them off to you. Here's a thought let's cast Adam Brody in more rom coms. Actually, let's not stop there. Let's cast him in everything. Adam Brody in more rom-coms. Actually, let's not stop there. Let's cast him in everything.

Fabienne:

Adam Brody's Riz in the show is off the charts. It's like Seth Cohen grew a beard and realized how fine he was, and the entire generation of OC girls into heat. Rabbi, right, rabbi. Adam Brody is honestly too much for me to handle. I am unwell. Adam Brody is the perfect romance lead and we have severely underutilized that in the last 10 to 15 years. There are celeb crushes and then there's whatever the hell.

Fabienne:

I feel about Adam Brody and I was like I saw that one. Yes, these are so accurate and this, like this show is. It's like I feel like, like this show is. It's like I feel like this show is like what a healthy in your 30s relationship should be like. So goodbye, miscommunication, goodbye. I don't know what the hell I want. Let me go back and forth with between both guys and you're just sick of it. This is like it and it brings in like real world. No, no, I don't want to say real world, but like actual problems, like he's Jewish and she's not, and like the, the dynamic between both of them. But like there's no like lying, there's no miscommunication, there's just.

Jordan:

Well, there was at one point, but it got like spoken like openly pretty soon after, like with the sister, in case people haven't like seen the series yet. But there's like one instance. But then again, I'm like the way they handled it, like like such mature, like like actual adults, and I'm like this is not just for the sake of like comedy or just like drama, whatever the hell, but it's just so realistic and like the way that it should be, or just the way that people actually should act toward one another and also wait the like with your eyes down, like put like your cup down, like oh my god, the way he held her face. I was just like oh, oh, oh.

Fabienne:

I was reading something and they were like the director, producers, whoever told Adam Brody to be like this has to be the best kiss that she has ever received? And he was like how the fuck am I supposed to do that? So like, and then like Well, he sure did deliver. Holy shit, he did, he did.

Jordan:

I was like this is what we read about in romance books and I am here for it I also love like the quirky guys with like the bigger noses and there's like the curly black hair, like black eyes. Also like dylan o'brien really falls for me into the category. I'm like he can get it too. He's like the younger brother.

Fabienne:

Love illinois bryant yes, yes, I and he looked. Adam brody looks so much better now. I never really was into the oc, but I've watched like the first and episode, but like well, the thing is is like adam brody in the oc, not attractive, and maybe I would have found him attractive if I watched the OC back in 2003. But Adam Brody, now he can get it, he can get it, he can get it, you sure can Also. I'm so jealous it already got greenlit.

Jordan:

Really, I know Season two.

Fabienne:

Yes, got greenlit for it.

Jordan:

I mean, everybody's obsessed with it because I finished the series and then Netflix was like don't worry, season two has been confirmed. I think I knew this. Yes, I knew this definitely.

Fabienne:

I feel like it got. It was definitely like it. I want to say shortly after like season one like released, everybody was obsessed with it and was like yes, but like have you, have you seen emily in paris?

Fabienne:

no, I well, I've seen only the first season okay, honestly, and then I stopped watching first two seasons are really good, but like this last man oh, wait a minute. So we watched half of the most recent season. But it's interesting because you watch this, nobody wants this and it's so freaking good because it's refreshing, it's like what a relationship should actually be. But like emily in paris, like basically emily is going back and forth like I don't know, did you meet alfie yet where you are? I don't know if you. I don't't think so.

Fabienne:

No, I don't think so Well, basically she goes back and forth between the fucking chef and Alfie, and then it's just like it's so annoying, like it's pissing me off, like she can't make up her mind and I'm like bye, yeah, bring on Rabbi, it's like a stereotypical like rom-com actually, though Maybe we should try like I don't know rabbis, no, no, we shouldn't.

Jordan:

No, we shouldn't, no, no, no, I don't want to change religion for no guy. No, thank you, no. What I feel about, but then also like, emily in Paris is like such a different genre, though Like obviously they both fall in like the rom-com slash drama type of series, but Emily in Paris is your cliche slash stereotype.

Fabienne:

Yes, it is the 90s show Like late 90s, early 2000s, like that's the vibe it gives, which I guess, like here for it it works, but you can't really compare it to.

Fabienne:

Yeah, I think it's one of those things that I but I can see it like I don't know if, if Emily Paris will be renewed for another season. I think people are over that and they want what. Nobody wants this type thing. So I think that's where society is heading, at least for us. Even the Gen Zers, they're all about open communication and wanting that sort of things. Yeah, they do gen z years. They're all about like open communication and like wanting, like they are they know what's up things yeah, they do they do so I think like they're even leaning towards.

Fabienne:

Nobody wants this, so I feel like more shows will head in that direction too well, I hope so, like you said, it's really refreshing also and, like I said, it's just really I don't know.

Jordan:

It's genuinely like real, like the fact that I know this, this instance where, or this instant where kristen bell this, I think, is then the spoiler.

Jordan:

I'm so sorry, or just like you know, I feel like most people, are 30 seconds okay, or she's like I feel like more people should be upfront about what they like and dislike, so there's like no embarrassment about it anymore, like there's. You know, like you you do away with the shame. You just like have to like say what you're thinking, um, so as to like normalize that, as opposed to pretend something or like to be somebody that you're not and like really like hit us. Like you know, she really like hit a nerve in a good way with that, because I feel like a lot of people actually do that tend to be something else. They pretend to feel differently as to what they're actually feeling in that moment. I'm like Such a mature type of conversation that she's having with Our lovely rabbi, but I think it's like really genuine, you know, like the dialogue in the series is just genuine.

Fabienne:

Well, I think too, like I know we we've been in long-term relationships for a while now and like we kind of got in them in our like early 20s. But I feel like if we weren't, and we were in our 30s, single trying to meet somebody, I think that is very much Because I have a couple friends who are like our age and they're newly trying to meet someone and it is very accurate in the sense of you kind of put all your baggage on the table and be, like and you handle my baggage, can I handle yours Like?

Fabienne:

we don't have time to wait, especially for women and whether they want to have like kids or not, I think it's very important to get to the like root of everything right away so it's, I think and it's also scary because it scares people off.

Jordan:

You know you don't want to like hit them, like get on. How do you say like you come on too strong?

Fabienne:

yeah, yes yeah, no, and I I agree, and I think for the person it's like very scary, but I think that is like very common for both parties to do that, like to lay it out on the table, just being like, can you handle this? Like can I handle you? Like I think it's just like trying to figure that out because, like nobody wants to waste time, because I feel like in your 20s like especially early 20s you know like you have so much time ahead of you and you feel like you're gonna live forever.

Fabienne:

So like there's almost that game that is played, I feel like at least when we were in our 20s early 20s, but I think like definitely now like being in like 30s and like early 30s, late 30s, and you're trying to meet someone. So I feel like it's almost like this show is growing with our generation plus, yeah, even the generation of like wanting this open communication, which I appreciate because I'm kind of like getting this show was so refreshing compared to shows like emily and Like. But actually, well said, thank you.

Jordan:

You're welcome. Credit where credit's due. That's not the right phrase, but you know what I mean. Um, I wanted to say something else which had nothing to do with the show. Uh, oh, say something else which had nothing to do with the show.

Fabienne:

Uh, oh also. Well, sort of like cool I've been on a reading streak.

Jordan:

Yes, here for it, because I saw you on vacation.

Fabienne:

Right, I read like four books in a week's.

Jordan:

Yeah, that hasn't happened since 2021. Um, it's, it's been a long time, okay, um, but but um, they're all thrillers and all one or two riley sager sager I don't know how to pronounce his name um, I actually have his the house across the lake, which I really want to read myself I just finished it oh, it's fantastic I, I need to.

Fabienne:

Did you actually finish it, or is this?

Jordan:

is this is the poisoner, you can just name it, you can just like name drop it all. Uh, no, it's not. It's not a Poisoner situation, it's an actual.

Fabienne:

The House Across the Lake type of situation. Now I could read it and then we could do a book club out of it.

Jordan:

Yes, we can.

Fabienne:

Okay, then I'll get on that one.

Jordan:

Fair question on your part. Fair question no, I have read the Only One Left, which was the first book that I read, of his Fan-focused. No, I have read the Only One Left, which was the first book that I read, of his. Oh, I don't have that Fantastic. Okay, it's really gothic-y these books. They have like this below-surface-level type of gothic-y feel I don't know how to describe it otherwise, but it's just. It has like this feel that you're like something spooky is going on, but it's not really like a prevalent type of spooky, but something is just like simmering beneath the surface type of you know, like it's really, it's really really good and I like the way that it's written or like the way how it's written, like it's written almost like every single book is written from like a first person perspective and there's like dual timelines or like dual narratives and, um, it's just really really fucking good. And I finished the one or like the only one left.

Jordan:

I finished that when I was sick in malaga, like because I had nothing else to do then, and then the next day I went into like bookshop there I'm like I have to look for another book of his and they had it and they, and then I go um midnight no wait, middle of the night I got that one with like the neon green letters. If you see the cover, you recognize it. Okay, so good. And then I downloaded um on my kindle, the um, oh, fuck, uh, after, after dark, or something, dark, darkness, I don't know. Something about a mansion too. And now I just finished the house of grasslake. So good, so good. I also because, since I'm on a roll now, I also finished the Cruelest Chaos and I have just started, you know, like my reread. And I finished also the reread for Runix, the Predator and the Reaper. Still have to continue. The other ones It'll happen, exactly ones It'll happen, exactly, exactly, it will happen.

Jordan:

And now I'm reading Monty J's new or like latest release, wrath of an Exile and girl. I am loving this whole new me.

Fabienne:

I'm just like I'm happy that you're like getting back into it, because I know that can. I feel like we use this like reading is not. I mean, I feel like it's like supposed to be like hobby and fun, and like I hate when I'm in a reading slump just because I can't like I want to be into a book, I want to have a book to read. So I'm so happy that you've like found a book to read and you're reading again and that's so exciting.

Jordan:

And I'm just so happy because I just felt lost. I can't just like, you know, like call it what it is. I just really felt lost these past few months and it also maybe had to do like how I felt like toward the podcast if me wanted to take a step back, but not really daring to like voice it to you so as to not disappoint you. And then I was like, yeah, but you know I'm not reading the that much anyways these days. So you know what, what good am I for this podcast?

Jordan:

But now that I feel that I've kind of like found my drift again and you know I don't want to like jinx it, of course, but I'm like okay, this is going well, you know like still slow and steady, but you know we're going places now and I just I'm just really happy. And I actually jay commented on it the other day, which is already like five days ago, but he said like so, uh, we're not gonna watch series anymore, are we in the evenings? Like no honey, I have this book to finish yes, well and then after you'll feel like watch series too.

Jordan:

But like yeah but you know, books they take precedence again. So I guess that's a good thing I mean not gonna lie.

Fabienne:

You're talking about like books you're reading and you're reading thrillers. I'm like reading a shifter book and like who would have thought I've ever would have read?

Jordan:

a shifter book.

Fabienne:

I know, yeah, I'm like kind of wait. I just mean give me names, titles please. Okay, so it's Moon Touched is the first one and it's by, I think, elizabeth Briggs is how you say your name. But yes, like runix posted about it and I was like, well, runix shares, I was like I gotta read it. So I want. I didn't know what I was in the mood for, so I picked up the first book, which is moon touch, and kind of obsessed, um, I literally just finished the second one, which I think is star cursed, and then the third one is sun, something that I think I'm going to like start that today, like later, like after this podcast or something. But I now don't get me wrong. I don't know if I'll like end up diving into like a bunch of different shifter books, but like this one I think has like 12,000 reviews on.

Jordan:

Amazon yeah.

Fabienne:

So it was almost like this is like a good shifter book to like start with.

Jordan:

Or like a paperback version.

Fabienne:

Kindle, kindle Okay.

Jordan:

No offense.

Fabienne:

No offense to the cover or anything, but like I can't, yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't.

Jordan:

I can't, Honestly. What is it with this genre? I'm not trying to.

Fabienne:

Like or just like, let me have. And then just these people man just I, okay, I have to say the cover is very cool. I do not want it on my shelf, no offense. But like, can I have a special debt, a special edition? Like, give me like, just like zodiacs, like a zone, because it's like a zodiac book. I wait what is this?

Jordan:

what is this cover, then?

Fabienne:

like this is like the subtle cover well, where the fuck do I find that one?

Jordan:

oh, amazonnet. So that's the Netherlands. I do apologize as you should.

Fabienne:

No, I'm just kidding, but like, see, I would buy that one, I would a thousand percent, I buy that one because I, I, oh, I'm like obsessed with these, like I need to like dive into the next one wow, she has a lot of books.

Jordan:

Sun-crossed zodiac aligned. Oh, look at that. I like um, uh, I want to say subtle. That's discrete coverage, that's the word. See, I'm so out of touch with instagram. I don't even know what the word was for the sub cover discrete covers it literally has.

Fabienne:

It has 21 like thousand reviews on amazon, almost five stars, has over 30 000 on goodreads. So I think if you want to dive into Shifter books, I think this might be the series to do it. Now again, don't get me wrong. I don't know if I'll be like picking up other Shifter books, but like you, bet I'm finishing these.

Jordan:

I mean again, if it's Runix approved, might just as well, right, Right.

Fabienne:

I know my thoughts exactly and they're on Kindle Unlimited, which I know you don't have, but the people listening might.

Jordan:

Sure Way to wrap it in. Girl, that's fine, you're welcome. I just purchase every single digital file, like the pleb that I am.

Fabienne:

Fair, sorry. I read the first book and I read half of the second book, but during work today I could not stop, so I bought the audiobook because it was on sale, because you get the Kindle, so I got the audiobook for $5. Of course you did. And so I was like, well now, and then I was able to finish the second book today while working. And I mean, now it's what day it is, so I'll just read after this. But then if I need to buy the audiobook again, it's again $5.

Jordan:

Is it a graphic audiobook, like I know you're not with Akatar. They have like these graphic versions right now where you know whenever they like fight or like winnowing or whatever you hear background noises Also the. That's something else yeah, but I no, okay, okay. So I was wondering. So if like they do you hear like like clothes, like shredding or like tearing, no, this is just like a normal just a normal audio yeah but it's so good, fair. Well, I guess you hear it here folks.

Fabienne:

I'm like trying to find this discreet edition that you showed me, and I can't find it wait, I'm gonna just send it to you, but it might be one of those things that is just like yours no, because I, honey it's like oh wait, no, no, no, it should be.

Jordan:

Oh, I see it's not the paperback.

Fabienne:

Christ, 40 euros it's what it's, not a paperback no, it's a hardcover.

Jordan:

Oh, that's interesting, little wolf, you were never broken, only beaten and bruised.

Fabienne:

All you needed was someone to believe in oh, I see, now I see this cover yes, ma'am, that's the one it is really pretty, though god damn damn it, damn it, damn it. But yeah, $22. But I guess, like she did have her, I think her cancer came back so she has like stage four colon cancer. So like now I almost am like, but I would like to support you.

Jordan:

Wait, you're the author. Yeah, girl, you have to pick a heart. Are you going to support all the other 14 million people in the world with colon cancer? I do, you would, you would, I know.

Fabienne:

But but, yeah, I know, I am reading I am reading like I'm reading kindle unlimited, so she's getting money from me. I bought the audiobooks. I'm gonna buy the next one, so I am. I am supporting her, I am helping.

Jordan:

You can't. You know, that's all you can do Really, Just read her stuff Exactly. Thank you so much for listening.

Fabienne:

And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us.

Jordan:

So catch you next time.

Fabienne:

Bye.