The Bookish Hour

Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros

• Jor & Fab • Season 1 • Episode 56

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Fantasy Unleashed: Exploring Fourth Wing by RY, we take a deep dive into the fantasy novel that captures the essence of adventure and identity. With its blend of dragons and relatable characters, the episode explores nostalgia and maturity in storytelling.

• Exploring the themes of dragons and identity in Fourth Wing 
• The nostalgic yet mature narrative style enhancing relatability 
• Discussing character representation of chronic illness 
• Reflecting on Yarros' writing style and character development 
• Anticipating the sequel, Iron Flame, and what to expect 
• Engaging with listeners on personal reflections of the story 


Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
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Jordan:

welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab. What are we talking about today?

Fabienne:

fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing. Finally it um took us a little while, um, yes, because we lost our um admission letter to uh baskiath college, uh, but we're here now we crossed. Sorry I'm. I'm trying to do a little bit here, but you're ruining it for me it is fine. No, it is fine, fine anyways. Fourth wing um, I asked you to read up on it a little bit, but have you Jordan? No, you have not.

Jordan:

I'm sorry to call you out by the way. What I was looking for this bookmark. It was in my book In Fourth Wing. Let me see the bookmark. Oh my God, it has all the different tropes. So it's like enemies to lovers. Love triangle Is that from the Dark Romance bookish babes design?

Fabienne:

yes, yes, yes, I really like that.

Jordan:

They're like little post, like post stamps yeah, like I think you could get these as like a big print at one point, um, but I bought just hang it all over your wall behind your bed well, and that's the thing. I was like I don't really know where I'm gonna put these like prints, so I was like, let me just get the bookmark, because like the bookmark I would use, you know like I would use.

Fabienne:

Okay, first thought, fourth wing.

Jordan:

Give me three keywords please dragons, dragons, dragons and dragons I actually that's one additional dragons, but sure I really liked this book.

Jordan:

I think it's. It's don't get me wrong, you're not. If you like fantasy, maybe you won't be totally obsessed with this, but I think this is a great intro to fantasy for anybody that's like wants to get into fantasy. Um, because it's not superly heavily. What would be the word like high fantasy? Yeah, I guess, because it's like there is like, it is like another, like universe in a way, but well, it's definitely fantasy, but it doesn't.

Fabienne:

Well, it's definitely fantasy, but it doesn't. It's not like fantasy, as, like, say, lord of the rings is. It's not a fantasy that describes the world like, yeah, I, I guess that's high fantasy, that's what you would call high fantasy yeah, because I think of lord of the rings and I think of high fantasy. For that, yes, although technically I feel like this is actually in like the most basic essence. It is high fantasy, but it's not. It's not so intense, yeah.

Jordan:

There's not like these words that you have to like made up places or things or people.

Fabienne:

Well, that is actually not true.

Jordan:

or things or people well, that is actually not true, because they, they have like with um the gods and like even that's true, but I feel like half of the gods. But I feel like it's like, but the places it's like, it's just like one place. Ah, yeah, okay, maybe you're right, because it's like I don't know how to explain it.

Fabienne:

I don't know how to explain, like, how this is so much easier, well maybe because, like the um, like the starting point for, like of a better term, it's a, why a? Because it's a, why a fantasy. No, that's not true, I'm sorry. It's not why a. I'm sorry. It has like the feeling of why, like the simplicity of YA. That's what I'm trying to say.

Jordan:

Oh, I agree.

Fabienne:

It's definitely new adult because it is so muddy, but it has like a nostalgic feeling of a YA fantasy and because of that it doesn't feel as like weighty, like, like, like heavy, as an actual high fantasy. This is my trump card. That's all I have no I I can get that.

Jordan:

I can get that. I can get behind that, I. I do think it's interesting, though, because she seems like a romance author, which there is romance in here, and, granted, this is my only book by Rebecca Yaros, but, like every other book you look at, is like Contemporary romance yeah, contemporary, or like it's all like just straight romance and nothing. It's just why did she decide to write a fantasy book? Is what I'm thinking. You know, it's just like just straight romance and nothing. It's just why did she decide to write a fantasy book? Is what I'm thinking. You know, it's just kind of random, don't get me wrong. I'm obsessed with it and I love it, but it just, it's just interesting.

Fabienne:

Maybe she just woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day and just worked out in her fever she was like.

Jordan:

You know what I want to write about? Fucking dragons, oh which I am here for it, because I love wait. What did I?

Fabienne:

just just fucking fantasy. You were like dragons, which obviously is like the better answer, which but I digress, um, but I'm glad that you did because, like I said, it has like this very feeling of ya fantasy and it feels like home. Remember, like when you would you, when you would read and I feel like we have touched on this subject a little while ago before like when you would read, say, twilight, when you would say read, you know, like the hunger games, like that intense feeling when you were like 14 and being fucking obsessed with like a like, um, like a book series, and you would make it your entire personality. That's what happened to me when I read this book. But then, like it also catered to my more adult wishes, you know, like for someone who reads romance, for someone who likes romance, for someone who why are you smirking at me like that?

Jordan:

no, I agree, like I told oh, that's your agreeing face because it's like the smutty smuttiness that like one chapter it was it.

Fabienne:

It is really good. Lives in my and it's just.

Jordan:

I do really like it and I can't wait for Iron Wing. No, iron Flame, flame yes, or. Wing Iron Flame, but like I almost like I think I might get the audio Listen to this like right before Iron Flame comes out and as like a little recap, because I already know what's happened but like I don't have the memories Of course.

Fabienne:

Maybe you could do like what's it called, Like a whisper sync. Does it work with this book too?

Jordan:

No, because I do. I did buy, so I have the paperback. I bought the ebook. This is not the paperback. I bought the e-book. This is not the paperback, this is the hardcover. Oh well, I meant it as in, like the physical, yeah, but I bought the hardcover, oh okay, and then I bought the e-book, because I don't know about you, did you read your paperback or did you get an e-book?

Fabienne:

I actually read the paperback.

Jordan:

Oh See, I don't know what it is, but I struggled reading this, so hard.

Fabienne:

I can completely understand why it's because it's a fucking hardcover.

Jordan:

Oh Well, even and not even that, because I don't mind reading hardcovers but it's something with this text I like had trouble like like reading it. So I could not get through like actually reading this like first page, or I reread this like first page. So many times I was like you know what Fuck it Like. Let me get the e-book and I think that's going to be, or I tried the sample and the sample was super easy for me to read, so then I ended up buying the e-book, so I spent 30 bucks on this. I then spent $15 on the e-book, so I spent $30 on this. I then spent $15 on the e-book and I will be buying the audio book you are a great customer, George.

Jordan:

I know I must be really, must be really happy. All, all the monies went to this. I also would like to say that I bought two editions of iron flame, so, yes, of course you did Getting all my. The German edition, though, is stunning, like when you take off the dust jacket. The actual cover of the book is like a dragon, yes, and so I needed it. So I pre-ordered that.

Fabienne:

Yep, yep when, uh, when you're here in april, we, um, we have to look for specific and like special editions too, because they're again, I do not read these types of books, not necessarily like fantasy books, but just like the english books, like the books that we read like for this money and like for our own personal book instagrams. I do not read that shit and in dutch, some like are actually translated, but I don't read them because they don't have like the same feel to it. Also, I do not like my own language. I already said this one time before, um, but some of the editions are actually really pretty. So when you're here, we're going to go book shopping just for like. The special editions sound big, but again, I digress because indeed the german edition is really fucking stunning, but there are some good dutch ones too. So, um, may I also address some critical well, not critical issues. I've been waiting for these, which they are not, but I have some issues in general with this book, even though I loved it gave it 4.5 stars.

Jordan:

Oh, it didn't get 5 stars no, ma'am, it did not oh, I gave it 5 stars. I just needed to point that out.

Fabienne:

I know you did. I just like to go the other way for some reason. You know like the road less traveled. If you will, I like it.

Fabienne:

I like it it had familiar elements and no one in their right mind can deny that. It had elements of and I already said it the hunger games with the war trials. It had like also with the arenas of like trading with the dragons. It felt like harry potter at one time I mean goblet of fire, anyone. Um, it also had similar scenes or like elements that are described in the accord of thorns and roses series the entire scribe.

Fabienne:

What's her name? Um violet soaring, gale guile, I'm not really sure how to say it. Um, her turning like I'm gonna say this really bluntly and I do not mean it in any negative way whatsoever, but her turning from like a geek to a full-blown badass bitch. I felt like this seemed like gwyn from a court of silver flames, like the scribe turned warrior. In a way, it had like I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not saying like it's a copy, because you know, let's rule, every single book that we have read, they have like overlapping elements, overlapping storylines, but I just felt like there were so many elements um, taken from so many like famous, like, notoriously, if that's even a thing books that we have read, and it was just like all thrown into, like a cauldron, stirred together into this fantastical soap. And yes, that is a line that I have said in my review and I'm just like quoting it verbatim. But she, rebecca, in this case managed to create something very original, even though I saw some, um, I guess, things I already have read.

Jordan:

If that makes sense, because I feel like, as I was reading it, I didn't pick up on any of that, like I didn't pick up on any of the elements that it made me feel like I was reading like a Sarah J Maas book or like a Susanna Collins the Hunger Games like Susanna Collins. I didn't think of that at all and I'm like trying to go back and maybe because it's like not fresh in my mind, I didn't fully oh, maybe with the audio you'll recognize some of those elements that I've just mentioned.

Jordan:

Now I might like pick up on it, but I see what you're saying though, because it's like I understand every piece of work has been inspiration for another piece of work, and you can see that like throughout, like books in general, like you understand that, like it's like that happens more times than not, and I've like definitely read things where it's like it seems like almost too close for comfort. I totally understand that, but I like wish I I definitely did not pay attention no, this one you don't have to let.

Fabienne:

I mean, we said it, we said it in a and I know, and that's that's why all the other stuff that I have just said is like basically excused because it has dragons, you know. I mean, and also, despite all of what I like have literally just said, I was hooked to the story. Like there is just something so addictive about the book, like the like, I guess, just like the narrative. I even want to say I finished it in weird timing, weird pause. Um, I finished reading it in like three days and I feel like that's that, that's that's pretty fast for like a book that long. Would you say it's a long book or would you say it's a thick book?

Jordan:

I never, I never know which adjective to use say thick, thick, it's almost like 500 pages, but it's also like a pretty decently sized, like height book too. So it's like a good, a good size.

Fabienne:

It's like a good size.

Jordan:

Oh, my gosh, what. Oh yeah, 498 pages. Oh, and that last ending like her brother not being dead. I know, I know the thing is is I saw that coming as soon as he like, as soon as he like, as soon as miles afar.

Jordan:

Yeah, he was like, oh, we got to take her to him and I was like, oh, it's definitely her brother, her brother's not dead.

Jordan:

Like, so that I have to say, at times the story was predictable, but it didn't stop me from enjoying, like that's the one thing is like, as soon as I can figure out what kind of author you are and what I need to do, then I'm golden. Because, like sarah j maas, I feel like you can go into her books and you will not pick up everything, especially the first time or the second time or even the third time, but you can go into her books trying to solve the puzzle, because you will not solve it, like, maybe you'll get one piece of it and you'll get so excited because you got that one piece, but you'll miss the other 12 000 pieces she's left. It is like breadcrumbs. So I love trying to like, really like, dive into her stories and like really try to like dissect them for myself in trying to figure it out, and I think her books make great buddy reads for that reason. But like this one, this one, it's almost like you just need to enjoy the ride. It's like you need to just read it.

Jordan:

The dragons, sorry, yes, exactly I do have to say that's.

Jordan:

The one thing I did really like is because she was like the mental health rep and like the um, not being able to ride the dragon because of the way her body was shaped. I forgot how they like what it's like, how it's worded and how like that sort of thing, but I actually really liked that because you're kind of chronic her chronicle like oh, chronic, chronic illness.

Jordan:

Thank you, thank you. That's that's what it was to be of help, that's what I'm here for again. Yes, that's like what? Sorry, I'm now trying to find my the. Is it like the chronic? Yeah, chronic illness rep, not mental health. I'm sorry, chronic illness rep, but I like that because she had that chronic illness and I kind of thought once she got a dragon, it would fix her. But I like that. That's not what happened. It's just okay, you have this but we're gonna learn how you can live with this instead of, like, being fixed, like you don't need to be fixed. So I actually really enjoyed that aspect and the turn that Rebecca took with that um. So that was like something that I like kind of stuck with me and I really enjoyed that. That's how that happened and that's how that came to be about.

Fabienne:

I think that's actually really important also because, in the fact that you note on it right now, I mean I'm just gonna go out on a limb here I mean, and I know, I know you, we don't have like physical chronic illnesses. We deal with, you know, like some, some mental instabilities, if you will. But, um, can you only like imagine how we view this chronic illness and how we can appreciate it for what it is? And someone who actually has a chronic illness and can actually, I guess, relate to the feeling yes, no, exactly.

Fabienne:

I feel like that's really cool.

Jordan:

No, exactly, I feel like that's really cool, especially within the bookstagram community, I think there's there's people that I didn't know had, so you wouldn't know. It's not like something where it's like they like. It's not something you can see, like you would only know what if they like told you or something like that. So I think this is like. I think this is a really good representation of like how you don't like, you don't need to be fixed like. You are perfect the way you are, and I think that's really cool, because I think in fantasy, this is where it's like oh, she got a dragon. Oh, this dragon is going to fix her. You know, like she's going to come and she's not going to.

Fabienne:

There's nothing needs to be fixed. It's actually already pretty cool the way she is. I mean, she only gets a dragon. This is just the one time a story does not need more dragons.

Jordan:

This is pretty fucking dope already it is so I and on, oh, I, uh follow like a shop august alchemy, I think, is what the name of the shop is but she designs like jewelry and she designed jewelry for fourth wing and I bought some necklaces and I can't wait for them so that is necklaces.

Fabienne:

That's a well, not a bookmark, because that was from the bookish babes. So necklaces, a heart back, uh, a kindle edition and uh, what's it? An audio.

Jordan:

You're going to go for the audio too, wow okay, well, I think I might need to buy some more stuff I think I think you do.

Fabienne:

Yes, right, I mean, could have been drugs. So so you know, silver lining, um, I like to circle back a little to affect how this book actually like balances the nostalgia of YA, but it incorporates, or like implements, or whatever fucking word you want to use, um, and of like the needs that we have, but it incorporates, or like implements, or whatever fucking word you want to use, and of like the needs that we have as like adult readers, and just like knows how to combine the two. And then you have fourth way Just nod and just say yes.

Fabienne:

Oh, because you're combining like yeah, like you are combining like the nostalgia that you have like from the books that you loved as a teen, but then it's like catered to our needs as readers of the age that we are. Does that make sense? Yes, thank you. Then I rest my case. Mic drop, mic drop. Yes, thank you. Then I rest my case. Mic drop, mic drop. What did you? Did you really eat something?

Fabienne:

no, you're drinking burping, but I am drinking like an iced coffee in a mug so this is not a booze and books, this is a coffee, and books is one episode this is caffeine overload.

Fabienne:

Actually, now you have to call this episode caffeine overload. And then, jory, that's actually such a fun one, because for the booze and books ones that we don't have booze and books, but we just want to make it one episode we can just do like caffeine overload colon. Okay, wait, I'm, I need to text it to you now. I need, I need to text it to you now once. I need to text it to you now. I need, I need to text it to you now once I need to text it to you now one second.

Fabienne:

I need to text it to you one now. Okay, okay, um, caffeine overload. Yes, overload, kevin. Also this. This cover is actually really cool the butcher and the blackbird one right, it's so cute and I want to buy it.

Jordan:

I might just have to buy it caffeine overload.

Fabienne:

You really have to buy it or you could just like overlaid, I can't time for shit over it's now. I can't time for shit.

Jordan:

Overload, overload, there we go okay, so like what I do, like this, like this like this elevated music.

Fabienne:

Elevated music. Give it over. Yes, okay, I feel like we got a new title dope.

Jordan:

I mean because I have to, I don't. It says genie in a bottle. But I have to say to the people out there, honestly, we have not been drunk for one of these in a long ass time no, this is more of I say we rectify that shit.

Fabienne:

but you know schedules haven't really been overlapping, so yeah.

Jordan:

But we really do need to, so like we might just switch these and these might just be Caffeine Overload episodes now and then. If we do get drunk then we will let you know.

Fabienne:

Yes, and you'll actually know, based off the way that we talk, Because I, for one, will mumble and stumble even more than I already do I will not, you know like I will not be able to find my words, and I'll just like stutter and stutter and Stanley stuttering and just like tear off in a distance and forgetting that we have a podcast to record.

Jordan:

So, yeah, It'll be a great time.

Fabienne:

Oh, definitely, I don't know you have anything else to add to Fourth Wing?

Jordan:

I think so. I can't wait for Iron Flame. Are you going to read Iron Flame when it comes out?

Fabienne:

Fuck, yes, right.

Jordan:

Flame. Are you going to read Iron Flame when it comes out? Fuck. Yes, right answer, thank you.

Fabienne:

When is it actually coming out Asking for a?

Jordan:

friend, or November, it's like early November. There's like the midnight release parties too. Wait could you repeat that, because I didn't hear you it's either november 7th or november 8th, one of those two, um. But there's like they're doing like midnight release parties too, and I think that's so cool and I midnight release parties.

Fabienne:

What is that?

Jordan:

well, it's like the last last time that there was one after the last Harry Potter, like I think that was your mic is completely fucked up, really.

Fabienne:

Oh no, wow, now apparently not anymore. Now, oh OK, sorry, release party. Yes, I am on board.

Jordan:

I know I want to do it, but then I also don't know anybody that would go with me. So I also feel like the good, the really cool one would be in New York, in Union Square, I think, because that's the one that Rebecca Yaros would be at.

Fabienne:

That's actually really pretty, pretty fun. Right, I sound so sarcastic, but if you, no, I'm not. Even I'm not sarcastic. I actually really like the idea of having, like a night party. Is that what you called it? I'm sorry, I have Swiss, thank you. I have Swiss cheese for a brain. I forget shit. It's okay Midnight.

Jordan:

Midnight, but I think it's at like ten. It's not quite at midnight, that is not midnight. No, but maybe it's like ten to midnight. Oh, it's all of them.

Fabienne:

Kidding, kidding.

Jordan:

Not really.

Fabienne:

Only half, always half kidding, always half serious, anyways. Um well, do you just let me know if maybe, maybe a person wants to go? You never know.

Jordan:

just just look at them sweetly and just say honey, drive me to new york yeah, but I mean that one's probably sold out now because that those tickets went on sale today. Oh, okay, but I think a lot of bookstores are doing it, but then I'm like I'd want to go to the one in New York, you know.

Fabienne:

I know and I completely understand.

Jordan:

You know, I know.

Fabienne:

So fourth wing. Why? Um, okay, so can I? Um, why is it called iron flame? Do we know that? We know fourth thing, because she was in the fourth wing, yes. Why is the second one called iron flame?

Jordan:

I think it is mentioned in here. Do you know why are you saying that? Because you want I.

Fabienne:

I do not. I want an answer because I I don't know, but you don't have answer.

Jordan:

I do not, I want an answer because I don't know but you don't have an answer. I do not have. I do think it was mentioned at some point in here, but maybe not because I don't have an answer to give you, but I'm sure we would know. Get it, pop, get it. Can you see me, pop's trying to get a fly? There is one. Those are the worst.

Fabienne:

I think I actually saw the shadow of a fly and not the actual fly itself, so now I have no clue where it is. Oh, good luck.

Jordan:

Good luck.

Fabienne:

Anyways, fly, fly, good luck, anyways, why Great time? Thank you, I said thank you, that does not make any sense, sorry, but Iron Flame, iron Flame. Okay, well, we'll just have to wait for November, then that's pretty soon, though.

Jordan:

I know this came out in May and then the next one's coming out in November. I think it's also supposed to be five book. What?

Fabienne:

She's spitting them out really quick Poo-ping. That just sounds way funnier.

Jordan:

Poo-ping, but I think it's gonna be five books, five yeah, be five books, five yeah I did not know that.

Fabienne:

I thought it was just going to be like a three, three series or something like three no, I think it's gonna be five I don't think I'm ready for that type of commitment oh my god, when liam died.

Fabienne:

I did. I did not know that I post, I posted. Did you see that one reel that I posted on Instagram, where it was like a live reaction, because I know that some people said like you have to, you have to film yourself if you read um, or like you have to record yourself if you feel wow. No, I'm just like saying all words all at once. You have to record yourself if you feel wow, now, I'm just like saying all words all at once. You have to record yourself if you read this and this chapter, and I did. And then I'm like fuck, did I just read that right? Did he just actually die?

Jordan:

But I was so mad. I was like and he was like, take me to her because his dragon died. And oh my god, like because and that was like a rider a dragon can live without its rider, but a rider can't live without his dragon. And I was like this is horrible. I love liam. He deserved better. And I was like how can you do this to us? And I was like you can make her brother really dead.

Fabienne:

Just bring back liam just my brother, just like gif is liam back yeah I know it was devastating, but you know I am not. I'm not a fan of authors ripping our hearts out by making us love a certain side character and then, just like you know, taking them away from us to put it mildly exactly, but how fucking dare you? I will say. It also shows how well rebecca writes, because just with within, like what's it? We? We only knew liam. For like what? 10 chapters, 10-ish chapters.

Jordan:

No, I feel like we knew him from the beginning, Like once they entered the war college. Yeah, but he was a very side character, and then he became more and more, but wasn't he like close? Because Liam was the one watching her. And that's how we became more attached to him.

Fabienne:

That is true. No, you are correct, I know, but I will well, maybe because he didn't have, I want to say like he didn't have many lines, like he's an actor, but he didn't. He didn't have like much dialogue in the beginning. Right, it only like progressed, if you will, from yeah, I want to say half of the book give or take.

Jordan:

Yeah, I do agree, because it almost was like you got more and more as the book went along oh, christ you.

Fabienne:

You should be glad you're not sitting here with me. I feel like I am sweating so much and I stink, uh, oh sorry that well that's I am.

Jordan:

I did take a shower, so I think I'm a little good there but now I do yes, no, no.

Fabienne:

I want to finish. I want to finish my thought. No, no, that's okay, that's okay, I'm sorry give it to me. I just all at once. I was just trying to say, or like trying to explain, that it attests I think that's the right word, it attests to Rebecca's skill plural of being a writer that she can make us love Liam so much without having him that present in the beginning and then ripping, rip him away from us and like that was so fucking emotional I was so sad I don't feel like I'm explaining this right, but I hope that someone just picks up on it and like yes, I completely understand.

Jordan:

I like, I completely understand and I completely agree with what you're saying yeah, yeah, no, I do, because it's like I was so angry and sad and devastated and it's like, you're right, he's a side character and it just goes to show how much, how well she writes, because normally, like, some characters can like die and you just like don't care, but then, like this one, I was like so sad, I know.

Jordan:

But I do really want to read her other books, like I got in the unlikely, no, in the likely event, but that's about a plane crash and I don't think I want to read about a plane crash, but the things we Well, not before.

Fabienne:

April, you don't? No, you got to fly over the pond Jordan, exactly. So I can't do that, but got to fly over the pond Jordan, exactly.

Jordan:

So I can't do that. But the last letter, I think, is a military romance, so I think I kind of want to read that and I want to get them, mm-hmm.

Fabienne:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Military romance. I don't think I've ever read a military romance. I've only ever seen a military romance, and that was a Nicholas Sparks movie.

Jordan:

There's a new Netflix movie that's the same girl from White Lotus, the second season of White Lotus, and it's about not military, but it is a plane, but not a plane crash, and I can't remember the title, but I want to watch that. I hope that was really explanatory.

Fabienne:

It was not but in a way it was, but also it was not, at least not to me, because I have not watched White Lotus yet. Oh then, yeah, that's not helpful. I am behind schedule and I live on a rock sometime, that's okay.

Jordan:

I just added the things we leave behind. I don't know why I keep wanting to say the things we leave behind. It's the things we leave unfinished. Yeah, there's something completely else. Yeah, but I keep saying it. But I just added that to my cart. Good for you see, if I buy it. Thank you, you're welcome. Okay, I'm gonna add you know what letter?

Fabienne:

okay, yeah, I think we should probably wrap this up, yep I agree, okay, glad you said it, no kidding, because I can talk for hours with you. I can talk for hours with you. Um, thank, can talk for hours with you. Thank you so much for listening.

Jordan:

And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us. So catch you next time. Bye.