The Bookish Hour

Iron Flame by Rebecca Yarros

• Jor & Fab • Season 1 • Episode 57

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Our latest podcast episode dives deep into the world of "Iron Flame," offering a varied perspective on the unfolding story and character relations. Prepare for cliffhangers, emotional turns, and engaging discussions that encapsulate readers' varied responses to the book.

• Analyzing the relationship dynamics between Violet and Xaden 
• Discussing the role of cliffhangers and pacing in the narrative 
• Exploring the importance of dragons as characters and symbols 
• Receiving feedback on the character depth and development 
• Sharing predictions for future venues and resolutions in the series 

p.s. we did combine both part one and part two from the smutty days into this one episode so it is a longer one. WE HOPE YOU ENJOY!!


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Jordan:

welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab I want to hear your first, your first, very first, thoughts on the first half of iron flame I loved the spot that we picked to be the like that I just couldn't believe.

Fabienne:

like you don't know how badly I wanted to continue reading just for that spot. Granted this, sorry guys, this. Well, hopefully you're listening to this after you read iron flame Cause. This will be filled with spoilers. But basically we don't know if Zayden and Alaric make it underneath the door Like that's who she's, I think it was them too.

Jordan:

Yeah, no, it was them too, okay, yes.

Fabienne:

So it's like and I had to close my Kindle so fast because I wanted to just do like a quick peek, but I did not.

Jordan:

I did not. You contained yourself. I'm so proud of you, did you? You too, I did too. Yes, no, I completely. I mean, I even asked you right before this episode, like when we started recording, just to just refresh here, did we? Were we supposed to read 33 or 34? Oh right, we're discussing the very first beginning of the book, up until chapter 34.

Jordan:

Yes, so read 33 stop 34 yeah, don't read 34 and also like, if you have, if you read from like the physical copy, like either hardback or paperback, um it, the the formatting is very unfortunate because you will skip right to the second page and you can read chapter 34. So I had to place something on top of that one page, so I could not continue.

Fabienne:

Really, yes, Even though I have that cover. I basically was reading off my Kindle Cause it's just so much easier. I don't know what it is about this like formatting, that I'm just having such difficulties like staying focused with.

Jordan:

I think it's like the size Cause it is like a bigger book too. I mean, for example, if you take this one, do you see the size? It's so different. That is true, I don't know, but I agree with you. Also, we always choose the right moment to fucking stop a book. I know.

Fabienne:

But like mind you, can I just say Always no. But like mind you, oh, can I just say always. I basically started this book Sunday night because I was trying to finish my other series. So I started this Sunday night and I maybe read two chapters and I was like I don't know how I'm gonna have this done in time. I mind you, this kind of happened with fourth wing. I had different thoughts because I heard that the first half of the book was going to be really slow. So I was very nervous. I was not going to have this done in time for today. But every time a chapter ended it kind of ends on a cliffhanger that you have to keep reading. It really does of like you need to know what happens next. But I do have to say that everything's kind of blended together for me in the sense of like fourth wing and this first half. So, even though it is really good and I can't put it down, which has happened the same for the first book Like people were like oh my god, book hangovers with fourth wing and like, don't get me wrong, I loved fourth wing.

Fabienne:

Love dragons, I love Taran, I love all that. But it didn't get me wrong, I loved fourth wing love dragons, I love tar and I love all that, but it didn't put me in a book hangover and that's kind of how I'm feeling that this one's going to be too. Still love it. I actually do not really care for zayden and violet's relationship at all like I don't give two fucking shits of anything that happens between them but I love violet and tarin's relationship so much so every time we get them and the the fact that how he has her back, so like with the like with everybody else within the like college, I I'm like living for this relationship yeah, I could not agree more really yes, I, and especially with like the, the relationship, I mean with how to like wow, I can't find the right um with how fourth wing ended.

Jordan:

Um zayden lied to her about her brother, about this rebellion, uh, which you know store like for the sake of the story. I completely understand, because we do need like um, we do need like a clash of sorts, we do need um struggle between the main characters, we need like the hardships between them to for them just to just like overcome. But take out the romance part and this book would, would like work just fine. Um, I actually am of the opinion that this would have been a very fantastic like. I don't even need the swearing, I don't even need the cursing, I don't need, you know, like the word fucking on like every other um I mean I'm sorry, sorry, wait, I think your sound cut off.

Fabienne:

This would be a perfect. What were you saying? Really yeah, like I think I I think I just missed something. What were you saying? This book?

Jordan:

would be oh, this would this, this could have.

Jordan:

This would have been a perfect young adult book oh yes, and just like left out all the yeah, I mean we could have like a romantic type of undertone, but like um, look at um the hunger games, for example, katniss and pita, and like gail. I think there was like obviously romantic tension there, but just like the beginning of a character finding their like I'm not finding the right words um, let's just leave it at the fact that I think this would have been better as a ya book. Yes, that new adult, I mean. Again, I'm grateful for it because I do like the maturity of it all, because I am turning 30 almost. But this would have worked just as well without, like, the actual smut. Also, I'm not a fan of how Rebecca smuts. I'm just going to put it out there.

Fabienne:

Okay, fair, I have to say I did really enjoy the smut in the first book, like I enjoyed their relationship within the first book a lot and I think because of the tension, I think because they were enemies, because he hated her, because she was like drawn to him but like he didn't want to be, and then plus with the dragons mixed in, I I really did like their relationship. But I think in this one I just it's not that I hate it, I just don't give a shit about it.

Fabienne:

So like I don't hate it, but I yeah, I just say I don't care, but I do. I really like violet and how she's growing within herself. So I really like how she's come like. She was like a kind of like a scared but she like her mom made her join this like writers group um, but now you can see how she's becoming more confident within being a writer and so like when they had to do that land navigation thing and they were like we don't listen to you and I, I don't know like I kind of like that and I like that bond between them.

Jordan:

So like um with re rihanna, rihanna, yeah yeah, okay, I actually like their relationship way better than I do, hers and zeta like the friendships I think that's yes. That should have been like the fucking forefront of it all.

Fabienne:

With the other, like the other, like Relic people, so like Emojin, emojin.

Jordan:

Imogen.

Fabienne:

Imogen.

Jordan:

Imogen.

Fabienne:

I was kind of close. I just want to say you were kind of close, nice and Bodhi, bodhi, and I would say Rydek too.

Jordan:

But Rydek isn't a relic person. No, he's in that core group.

Fabienne:

But I like even her relationship with the relic people. It's just not her relationship with Zayden. I don't like that or not that I again I don't give a shit about it. I can see his importance of being this strong writer and kind of running the rebellion or revolution because his dad did, and I get his point, or his importance of a character in the story. Maybe you're saying that this would be better if it was YA, but I don't even know if that would be the case either. I think they just don't need a relationship like.

Jordan:

I think they're not fitting together maybe it could have been new adult in the sense of like the things that the um discusses, for lack of a better word. But the romance between Satan and Violet isn't necessarily for me and apparently for you. It's not necessary for the story, it's not like the main plot. It could be like a subplot, a fantasy with a romantic.

Fabienne:

Yeah, well, because I was thinking too. You know, what she should have done is she should have the first one, should have had no smut in it, and she should have made this a slow burn. So then technically they still hated each other. They were still enemies even after. But like she's like, almost like, did you read the cruelel Prince and the Wicked King? I?

Jordan:

did. I did the goddamn series, but yes, I'm also getting what you're referring to.

Fabienne:

But the same same.

Fabienne:

But I also the progression of that book series was amazing, like you could really like it's like the slow burn and actual enemies to lovers, like I almost wish this was maybe that where they still kind of hated each other but like, and maybe Zayden was still holding these secrets and Violet's still trying to uncover them, but they understand their importance in this like revolution, like everything could have still happened in, but just without them being romantic, like take both of those two, because I think it was like twice in the first book, take both of those out, make the story still the same, but she, like they still are, they're starting to care for each other.

Fabienne:

So like at that last battle with the way wavern, waverns, like she could still go and like save him and like all of that still could have happened because like, deep down she's like starting to care for him but still hates him and still like knows he's the enemy. And I think because we did get to like a smut section in this one in the shower. But I think again, I think all of that could have happened, but then it could have been like, oh, like, no, like we hate each other, like I think that would have been better for the story and maybe that's what you like, what I can kind of see, like this could be why? A? Because, if you take that out, it kind of is and maybe I, I don't know, I do but I'm also, but I can't, I'm not, I'm.

Jordan:

It's not like I hate the story, like I'm still really no, definitely not, but there is just like elements that I think could have been done differently or better, or even like left out story to be more, I guess, fulfilling in a way. Yeah, um, but what you said before too, like every single chapter ended practically on a cliffhanger and it made you want to continue and like continue and continue, like the next chapter, chapter.

Fabienne:

So exactly it's. I believe it's still good.

Fabienne:

Sorry no, no, no, go it's a discussion we talk, we talk we just talk over each other and I basically um, but no, because what I was going to say is it that did? Basically, I read all of it. Yesterday I, once I finished work, I basically read the whole thing, stayed up until 2 am reading it. Oh, she did, mind you, in my head I'm like, okay, I need to have it done for Tuesday because I also don't want to see any spoilers. But it wasn't difficult to just keep reading, like I just, you know, every chapter, like you're saying, ended where I like wanted to keep reading and I lived for the relationship of her and Lauren. So like, every time that like dynamic came up, I would be like squealing.

Fabienne:

So like when he oh my gosh, when he bit that guy's like um dragon, I know, uh, so less, I think, yes, um, dragon I know uh so let's I think, yes, yeah, yes, like he was, like you can't be the, the main person in charge if you don't have a dragon, and so, like I, I'm living for their relationship, like I love them so fucking much I saw, um, I saw a reel, I think, either earlier today or maybe even yesterday, and it said I hope that Satan and Violet do not like turn out In the sense of like.

Jordan:

I hope that the ship just like is ruined for whatever frick reason and that Tarn or Tarn, or however you want to pronounce his name, turns out, have, like me, a human form and they want it to be like a monster type of romance. I'm like, oh my god, no, I mean, I'm really loving their bond protection, like the protectiveness, but there is a line I'm drawing there.

Fabienne:

I do not want that relationship to be like romantic at all, whether he has a human side of him or not. I just I love that almost like guardian yes type of relationship I mean I don't that is what they have right and that's what makes it so good I honestly was so freaking disappointed in what our narden or nerd the other, the golden, the feather a dragon, oh god the other, the other dragon, yes, the golden one, who's now black scales.

Fabienne:

Um, I was, so I was. I could not wait for her to see her dragon, and see how big she was and how different she was. Granted, we didn't know she was going to be black scaled yet, but it was so anticlimactic that I was so disappointed how that scene played out. I was like and maybe it's because I built it up in my head that I was like this scene's going to be amazing. And when she just saw him, she, just when she saw her like Violet saw her she was just like what the fuck? And I was like what the fuck? Like this should be better than this, yeah.

Jordan:

Like we need more of a reaction out of you, violet. Where's the rest? Where's the rest of your?

Fabienne:

expressionless reaction. But what is kind of, what is kind of saving? It is like that evil guy. I can't wait for her to see her new dragon and have her be like huge and she's actually like, yeah, which farish, something, something yes um, but I am very curious. The one thing is is I know, because she has another dragon and I saw it. I saw like people talking about her like second, second, like power Signal, nope, like she has the lightning from Taran, like so what is she going to have from Ammoner?

Jordan:

Jesus Christ, jesus Christ. I think the way I pronounce it is a signet Like a signet.

Fabienne:

Okay, what's her next power? That's what I'm going to say, because I am not going to remember that. Well, don't you think that?

Jordan:

she might have. Like, I do believe something. It has to do something with time, I think.

Fabienne:

No, I thought all the hatchlings have that power. All the like baby dragons can stop time, but no one knows that, because most hatchlings do not do the threshing Do not, but because she did, that's how she knew, but I don't think that's actually her power, that's just like what the babies can do. But I like, so I know, and I did see like spoilers. Then what do you think? Well, so I saw spoilers saying she would have another power, but I don't know what it could be. Oh, okay, but yeah, and I made sure, like anything else, I just like kind of scrolled by because like I don't, that's like. The one thing is, even though I'm not, this isn't like a Sarah J Maas book for me, mm, hmm, but I still don't want to be spoiled, like I still want to spoiled, like I still want to like, but I have no idea what her.

Fabienne:

I feel like I could either see it being something lightning, storm weather related, or I can see it being something completely freaking different, like she can heal herself or some shit what do you do?

Jordan:

we know what I I generally do not, I, I don't know. Well, I mean, I just I now like I think it has to do maybe something with time, that you know, because look at me, I'm the main character of this fantastic fantasy novel and of course I can stop time even after I don't have a hashling, because I'm special. Look at me, I think it's going to be anticlimactic in that sense then too. I mean, adarna is already now a black fancy scales. I think I can see it happening, that they are trying to prolong, if you will, the time stopping power thing very poorly explained.

Fabienne:

oh oh, like they'll like pushing. I have a feeling she's not going to come back until like either the very end of this one or even possibly the beginning of the next, like the second dragon, whatever Really quick looks. But I have heard like a lot of people like, because people were saying they were spoiled because they saw the last line of this one. So I'm like I'm, I have a feeling it's gonna end kind of like fourth wing, where it's like her brother's not dead.

Jordan:

Welcome to the revolution oh, can I just jump on that real quickly. I I thought that was gonna play out to be much bigger than it was in the first half of this. I thought that violet was going to have, um, like some crazy type of moments where she would just like completely spin out of it and just be like, oh shit, my brother's alive and I do not know what to do with this information. I can't, I can't tell anybody. I just have to contain this and I felt I was robbed.

Fabienne:

What was the last part?

Jordan:

you just said it cut cut you off again really christ, um, that, I just, oh god, what didn't I say no, I just I just thought, like, um, her knowing that her brother turns out to be alive, I thought that was going to have a much bigger storyline in the first half of this book and I was expected, with, you know, with the first book, kind of having established Violet's character as a book character. I mean, obviously I thought that she would go stir crazy with knowing that her brother is alone but not being allowed to tell anybody, and she still hasn't told anybody.

Fabienne:

I mean, um, re reanna rihanna, why I haven't seen rihanna, her best friend.

Jordan:

They know now about the Vernon and the Wyvern and how Liam actually died, but she didn't talk about the brother and I don't know. I just thought that it should have been a bigger thing, in my opinion okay fair, I guess.

Fabienne:

Like I didn't really think too much about that. I was actually really happy because I kind of was nervous that this book was not going to take place at the college again. But I'm actually really happy they went back to the college Because I think I wanted I wanted them being back there. I didn't want her just getting like one year of this like college and then all of a sudden I have a feeling the next book is going to be year three and then after that will be them like whether faking their own death or like joining this like I. The thing is is I can't. I think five books is going to be too long. If the this is the way it's moving, I feel like this series could have been summed up in three.

Jordan:

Hang on, are there, that's?

Fabienne:

what's set for right now? Are there five?

Jordan:

really five books.

Fabienne:

But who knows, maybe it will get kind of. Oh yeah, lord, it could get tight. I don't know, not tightened up, but they did. Amazon studios picked up the TV show for fourth wing. So like I have a feeling, the Amazon show for fourth wing is going to be awesome, as long as they cast.

Jordan:

Sorry, oh.

Fabienne:

God yes.

Jordan:

Do you have a fan cast Fourth wing? Me neither. Oh god, yes. Do you have a fan cast fourth wing?

Fabienne:

No Well me, neither I've been seeing like reels of it.

Jordan:

I just hope they do the dragon's justice. Yes, yes, because I can't look at yes, because I can't look at bad CGI jobs where it's just like a potato with wings and four sticks. I can't look at that shit.

Fabienne:

That's going to be like the spoof on Fourth Wing it's going to be Medina.

Jordan:

Like a YouTube vid. Yes, this is produced in our garage.

Fabienne:

Yes, enjoy, there you go Bon appetit. I was shocked that jack is alive. I was not I was I.

Jordan:

oh, I'm so glad that you brought this up, because I thought that I was just. I was he. He died. I thought he died in the previous book. Exactly same Jack Barlow, yeah. And now that I saw his name pop up I'm like wait a second, things are not really making sense here. And then I thought back on Fourth Wing and I could not remember for the life of me how he would have died. I mean, violet killed him, I think, but now I'm not sure how did he see him?

Fabienne:

oh rock, yeah, when she like when did rocks fell on him? It was like for during, like the war games, like when she like he was trying to kill her, and then she like shot the lightning at the rock and it like impaled him or it like fell over him, but technically you just assumed he was dead. But there was no. I don't think we saw a body. So it kind of like, wasn't he like?

Jordan:

called, like with one of those name rules, one of those professors just like.

Fabienne:

So, oh I think so actually, I don't remember, but I think so. Um, but the fact that now they're friends.

Jordan:

Yeah, he saved his life.

Fabienne:

Very confusing for me I almost feel like it's you know how they're like trying to kill her and everybody that went to the, the rustin, recent or whatever that town name is what called. I feel like now that they're trying to like assassinate her and every temp has failed. I feel like jack has been brainwashed now and is was told to get close to her and then is going to kill her at the end as would?

Jordan:

that's your prediction for this now.

Fabienne:

Yes, like I think that the commissioner or whatever the like main guy in charge of the war camp or the college, now I think, because he was while he was being mended, jack was being mended, he was there with Nolan, so I almost feel like Jack has been like brainwashed in a way to get close to her so then that way, when he's at his closest, he can kill her, to assassinate her. Clearly it won't work because she's like the main character of the series, but that's what I think is going on with it.

Jordan:

He has to survive just for like um one eternity.

Fabienne:

Yeah, she can die. At the end of the last one Also, there is no series based?

Jordan:

yeah, wow, that would be. Can you imagine just like, have the entire dies and there's like an epilogue of like and then just a few drags?

Fabienne:

oh my god, everyone just like um, isn't that okay? Two thoughts isn't that what happened in the divergent series? I've only read the first one, but like, yes dies at the end of like the last one, the actual books.

Jordan:

Yes, yeah, I um god, this was such a long time ago. Good lord, um, yeah, I think she gave her life for the greater good, but I'm not even what the but yes, she did sacrifice herself, um, but the movies, they were completely different I only ever read the first book and watched the first movie.

Fabienne:

I never good, don't, don't ever, don't ever continue any and yeah, um, I tried to read the second one because I read the first one before there were like the books were out, um. So when the second one came out, I tried to read it and I was like I don't care, so I just like stopped. Um, but with the one part I did like with Zayden and Violet was it was like hold on, now I, I, I gotta do it justice.

Jordan:

So I want to see if I.

Fabienne:

I'm pretty sure I highlighted it, so I should. It should work this should work what?

Fabienne:

are you trying to do precisely? I'm trying to get to this one quote. What did I not highlight? It was basically like I would lose this war if it meant that I wouldn't lose you. It was like something like that. But clearly it was like something he said to her in the last book and he was like saying it again, being like I wasn't lying when I said and I was like that is like the ultimate morally gray hero and I loved that. That was like the one part I loved about like their relationship, the two of them. Everything else Like question about Dane.

Jordan:

How do we feel about him, cause I really am not sure.

Fabienne:

Okay.

Jordan:

As in.

Fabienne:

I don't, I don't try to be. I don't think he was really trying to be like evil. I think he was just relaying information to his dad, but I don't think he was purposely like. I don't think he knows about the waverns. I don't think he knows about, like, what's actually going on outside of the wards. I think his dad just wanted information and he like went to give it to him.

Fabienne:

Um, not saying that he's all in the clear, but I, I think he just kind of I don't, I just I don't think he's as bad as like we're thinking. He is in, yeah, book one. Um, I think he just Because it kind of goes to show when he was pulled into that interrogation room and that horrible main guy of the college was like, okay, read her memories. And then he's like no, no, and he walked away. So I think it just proves that he is like Whether he's trying to be a good person for her. But I don't think yeah, oh my god. Plot twist she ends up with Dane. Oh my god. Well, I don't think I would necessarily hate, it, I mean.

Jordan:

I mean I don't really feel anything towards satan. I mean I like the enemies to lovers vibe that it had in fourth wing but now I was just like, I loved them together yes, and now it's just like.

Fabienne:

I hate that like what?

Jordan:

no, I thought you froze on me oh no, I hate the like.

Fabienne:

So I loved the enemies to lovers, like what you're saying in book one, but I hate that they became lovers and now it's. He won't tell me I he loves me, so I don't want to be with him.

Jordan:

I think actually, well, what I was about, what I meant to ask character establish and do we want to have like a redemption art? And with that I meant to say I don't, I don't necessarily mind either one, maybe I don't care. But now that you brought up the hypothetical, what if she ended up with Dane? I'm like, actually I'm not opposed Friends to enemies to lovers.

Fabienne:

Right, I kind of like that. I think that would be kind of cool if, like, especially if this is going to span over like five books. It'd be kind of cool if, like, something happens and it's like I it's definitely not because like taran and seagull or seara, like zayden's dragon, are like fucking me.

Jordan:

So how do you pronounce that? I have no idea, I'm not laughing at you, I swear to god, but I'm just like I find it, I find it. I find it just curious in general not necessarily just you um, how people will pronounce like fantasy names, because there is no guide either. Hell, half of the time I don't even know how to pronounce all the fucking cities and like the mountain ranges and like well, and that's the thing I don't know, because I know what the first few letters look like.

Fabienne:

I don't even look at the rest of the name because I already just know what it like, what it is so like I have no idea. Well, like, like, when you read over it, it's like you just know that. It's like you know who that character is, so it's like it doesn't have like I don't. So I can't even tell you the name now because I don't know what all the letters are like. I just kind of know the first few letters to know that it's his work.

Jordan:

They're like talking about his dragon, which his dragon did not have a very big part in this one I feel like I think she only have made like maybe two appearances yeah like in the beginning, when they were, when they were still with brannon, like her brother, and when she tried to you know, like um, the mental talk with his dragon, that was like the only.

Fabienne:

Yeah, to get like Zayden to back off.

Jordan:

Yes, um, I say um, as Guile, as Guile, as Guile.

Fabienne:

Hmm, okay.

Jordan:

Honestly, just because it makes more sense to me.

Fabienne:

I think Fair Question mark. I had no pronunciation.

Jordan:

Hmm, okay, just because it makes more sense to me, I think, Fair Question mark. I had no pronunciation, it was just I would love to have a pronunciation guide when it comes to fantasy books. I just love the extra information.

Fabienne:

Same I actually. I ended up buying the audiobook because I bought the ebook. I got the audio for an extra five dollars. I should listen to parts of the audio just to see, like how the narrator pronounces the names oh my god, I'm so stupid.

Jordan:

I just now connect. I'm now connecting dots like we have. You know the first bit, right where it says the following text has been facially transcribed from Navarie, curator of the Skype quadrant at Basquiat's War College. I've read this obviously for the second time now, as in like, but I never made the connection that this Yesenia is Violet's friend, yesenia oh, I read it too, but I don't.

Fabienne:

My laptop sitting on my copy of fourth wing so I cannot look right at the second, but I actually have fourth wing hair as we speak.

Jordan:

Ooh. And here the following text has been faithfully transcribed from the very ancient model language by Justinian Newward Nope, yep, okay, okay. So there you have it, folks. There you have it. Folks, there you have it. You heard the scoop here yes, you did um other than this entire bit that we've just talked about. Nothing really remarkable has happened in the first half.

Fabienne:

There's only secrets.

Jordan:

That is very true. Oh, yes, I want to note on that.

Fabienne:

She just like starts fucking killing off people. Like that. I was like okay, okay, rebecca, I get it.

Jordan:

We're going there now.

Fabienne:

Yeah died, oh he, yeah, sure, I've only read his name twice in the story, now like nadine, when like oh yeah, she was like oh yeah, I'm violet, can't you tell by my hair? And then he fucking like snaps her neck.

Jordan:

I was like uh okay, yeah, oh, actually, that specific scene adds to your theory that jack has been brainwashed, because the guy who snapped nadine's neck uh, I think it was actually said oh look, he has been like um, put under some sort of like fuck, what's the word? Uh, like he was controlled mentally under some sort of like fuck, what's the? Word uh like it was controlled mentally um ringwashed. That's actually the word I'm looking for I don't totally remember that.

Fabienne:

I remember he was kind of like shocked that wasn't actually violet, um, but I don't remember him being like yeah, I think now I wanna.

Jordan:

In what chapter did she die, please and thank you I have no idea but I feel like it was like yeah, we're just gonna oh oh, oh, sorry, I'm just going all over the place now uh sloan sloan. What do we think of sloan with an e, his sister, liam's sister, sloan Sloan? What do we think of Sloan With an. E.

Fabienne:

His sister, liam's sister. Yeah, I actually kind of I don't hate her, but I'm not totally a fan of her either.

Jordan:

I'm not like I'm kind of just like yeah.

Fabienne:

Yeah, I don't know about her.

Jordan:

She's just a character that we just have to endure.

Fabienne:

Yeah, but I like A whiny bratty teenager.

Jordan:

She comes across as yeah.

Fabienne:

What do you think?

Jordan:

I think this is just like one of those storylines that are just written for to not add any value to the main storyline. It's just maybe an afterthought of doing Liam justice, like oh, because they were friends and Violet now keep her promise to Liam and this is just like the tale of that promise. If that sort of translates I can't really. I think if you take sloan out of the equation, the story again would just make sense.

Jordan:

She has no added value to me yeah unless now the upcoming chapters, like it's gonna take a turn, like for for the better, and she plays, like you know, like a significant or like well, how do you say like, uh, like more of like a part yeah, fair, yeah, fair, I, yeah I do.

Fabienne:

I am curious because people have said that the first half is on the slower side and then the second half really picks up. So I'm kind of curious. I didn't really think this first half was on the slower side, but maybe it's just like me thinking like the chapter ends on a cliffhanger and I want to keep reading. So that's not slow, but maybe it like like the, like, the like rebellion really picks up or something like that. So who knows what the second half is going to be like? So I am kind of curious to see where this continues and I do like that. I can't that. I keep wanting to read that. I was able to stay up so late to finish this like part one, you know. So I am enjoying that and I actually like that zayden and violet are like not close like they're, and they can't see each other as often like I almost like that added into the story because I just don't care about them.

Jordan:

So I just want the story to continue, um oh, I get that because, like I said before, I'm completely with you on that. Oh, oh, sorry, something else Arik, apparently, who is of royal descent. The prince, yes, oh, christ mate, yeah, yeah, apparently, the royal family knows more than Basquiat College, because he already knew about it. Berman Vernon, yeah.

Fabienne:

Wyvern knows more than baskiath college because he already knew about vermin vernon. Yeah, yeah, or like I think the college maybe does know more. They're just, they're just, they're just like, especially when his dad was like, oh, you're gonna tell us what really happened, like clearly, but he's not going to like. So I think I do think, like the college definitely, or at least some of the um, no more um. But yeah, yeah, I think I think the king and the, the prince, like no more, like clearly, because he's helping them now, um, yeah, yeah, definitely curious about the second half me too.

Fabienne:

I'm kind of I'm very curious where this is gonna go and how this is gonna end and and I have a feeling it's not going to necessarily end on a book hangover for me, but I'm still enjoying it, oh very much and I'm so excited. I ordered from like one of these shops. I ordered Dragon Rider, so as a necklace, and I'm just, I'm so excited for that, like I actually love the dragons in it.

Jordan:

I do too. I think it's, um, it's just like one of those very nostalgic elements of like the fantasy books and like the series that we, uh, when we were younger, we would like those. Um, it just brings out this very nostalgia, I think.

Fabienne:

Yeah, I think, yeah, I agree, I agree.

Jordan:

Oh shit, Sorry, Like my keyboard now is entirely just flipping no.

Fabienne:

I don't know what's going on.

Jordan:

You know like sometimes when you like enter your space bar, like when you press your space bar, like your screen just like keeps like scrolling. I guess that's what's happening now. I don't know how to stop it.

Fabienne:

Oh no.

Jordan:

Oh my goodness, oh no, oh my goodness, go to the. Oh my God, wait one second.

Fabienne:

Having some technical difficulties over here.

Jordan:

Yeah, but you know, we're just rolling with the punches. That's what we're used to, that's what we're always going to do, I guess, and honestly, it's kind of on par with Iron Flame Nice one, I see, we're just going to dive right into it. Oh, yes, okay, um well, I think it's uh safe to say that they did make it through the door which, uh, our previous uh episode ended with. I'm not really sure if I caught it, but uh, I spoiled myself in chapter 34 to 35, where we weren't really sure whether I think Zayden and Eric yeah, but we did, obviously.

Fabienne:

Wait, who's Eric? Oh, alaric right?

Jordan:

Is it Alaric? I thought it was Eric with two A's. Like Rebecca, couldn't decide on the name Eric or Aaron.

Fabienne:

I have no idea.

Jordan:

Oh well, I don't't remember. I think it's eric. He's the price. I think I think it's eric because whenever I saw his name, all I could think of was like, um, fuck, what's her name? Um, jordan peele sketches with the other one guy, the bald one, where they are doing like, uh, the substitute teacher, a a ron. That's all I could think about something.

Fabienne:

Something, peel fuck, I can't remember. Uh, it's just a system you don't peel, no key and peel.

Jordan:

Key and peel is that it? Key and peel is that it? No, I mean, if I just say it, like maybe four more times, then all of a sudden it does, is it, does, it, is it's true?

Jordan:

it's right yeah, yeah, exactly, I think it's, is it not key and peel, peel and key p and kill, anyways, iron flame, anyways, iron Flame. Yes, I, uh, your thoughts go Okay. So let me just you know what I'm just going to steal this from my review. Let me just preface this by saying that just because I enjoyed something doesn't mean that it is good. Okay, because this was mediocre at best, I have to say, the storyline.

Jordan:

I still stand behind what I said about Fourth Wing and you already know it. We've talked about it off the podcast, on a podcast, like in our chats, and I'm not going to repeat it. You're also not going to repeat what you said to me, of course, but this book felt like it had too many plots into one, like very familiar plots of all different types of fantasy romances and all of a sudden I just lost interest because it was so much. But also it was so chaotic, and you know how I do well with, you know, like chaotic storylines. I really, I really enjoy them. But these, these, these two books, they were just not it. Um, also, I saw the end coming like I did not see, by the way, that her mom was going to sacrifice herself. I did not see that one coming Okay.

Fabienne:

Fair, you keep going, you keep going. I'll talk. I just need to get this off my chest real fast.

Jordan:

Yes, please Give it to me. I saw him becoming like, or turning into one of those Venoms, or however you want to. Really, I did not see that coming, but I also wasn't.

Fabienne:

I was not trying trying to like. I was going in with like a clean slate because I was or. I'll tell you more of my thoughts after you're done, but I did not see him coming.

Jordan:

I do want to say that I think that was going to be so much better for me had I not predicted it. I will say, though, I did not see him becoming venin like specifically, but I did see something I was waiting for, like the other shoe to drop, so to say, I was waiting for something to happen to him, um, and then he turned, was like, of course he did, of course he does, you know, of course he's now one of those uh creatures, um duh, of course also the second power to sing'Signet. I'm not really sure how to say that either. I was not surprised. I was not. I was not surprised.

Fabienne:

As soon as, like Rebecca's not very good with leading up to things, because you're right up to things, because you're right, granted from like it's like I didn't know fully until that scene. So as soon as, like they're talking about the second signet, or however you pronounce it, I'm like, oh yeah, duh, that's his second one. When he's not willing to tell her like, of course, this is what it is. And then towards the end, but not like well enough into the book that I knew these things were going to happen. But as the scenes are playing out, I'm like, oh, yes, this is going to happen. Yes, this, like I knew that chap, that last chapter, when he's not looking at her, I'm like, oh, he's turned venon or whatever you want to pronounce it.

Jordan:

But wait, did you have more to say no, I'm done for now okay, I, I do want to lead with.

Fabienne:

I'm still obsessed with fourth wing. I can see where you and then like that other um books to grammar talking about like okay, things do I see where you guys are coming from, but I still am obsessed with fourth and I loved every minute reading that book. But I think this one fell totally flat for me and I don't know if I put it on too high of a pedestal and then it just went or if it just sucked.

Fabienne:

But I do have to say I do have to say people were saying and I'm stealing this from my review, granted, as we're recording this, I haven't posted my review yet, but I'm going to post it before this episode comes out. People were like, if you want to cry, read this book. And I was like Liam's death affected me way more than her mom, like she none of them even liked their mom and there was no like, like there was no progression of their relationship during the book. So I'm like why was anybody affected by their mom dying, unless there was a personal story where your mom has passed away? Then, yes, I can see that, but anybody else? I was like, how Like this? No, I also don't give a flying fuck of their relationship anymore. That him turning venom. I was like, whatever, Okay, who's?

Jordan:

next Exactly? Who's her next romantic interest?

Fabienne:

Now if she I feel like if she killed off one of the dragons, I probably would have been in tears like I'm living for their relationship and the like guardian, and we kind of talked about this and like the other one, um, or we just did I don't remember if it was on the podcast or not but obsessed with that relationship but like z Zayden and Violet's don't care anymore and I I put it in my review I think if this was the ultimate slow burn, where it's slow burned for multiple books, I think this would have been way better.

Jordan:

Definitely.

Fabienne:

But like and almost like her, like growing to like him and but still hating him and being the enemies. I feel like that would have been so much better of a storyline. I now see what you mean by other books, like runes, like drawing on yourself and on things. I was like this is literally the Mortal Instruments series. I was like God damn it, I know, and I like it's just.

Fabienne:

The one thing is I know a lot of people were saying which I don't know if you've seen this, but because fourth wing got like an Amazon prime deal for like their like movie thing, I actually think.

Fabienne:

And then they were saying how Sarah J Maas, it took years for her to get it and even then it's kind of like who knows what's happening. But I do have to say I think fourth wing, for how simplified of a book it is, will be perfect for video like, perfect as a TV show, Perfect like, and everybody's obsessed with dragons, Like there's no doubt about that. Game of Thrones has done so well where I think Sarah J Maas is so complex of a story that and Faye was it's almost like too early of its time, Like we're all obsessed with it, but if it's not done correctly. The average Joe who doesn't read Sarah would not be able to enjoy a movie or show about it, just because Sarah's stories are so complex that I feel like if you're missing any tiny detail, you're not going to understand it. It's kind of like how the mortal instruments, like book or a movie that came out in like 2012 oh god, what's her name?

Fabienne:

oh, lily collins. Thank you, oh my god, that was such a bad movie so bad and I think like because that story is a little more complicated and they tried to shove everything into a movie. I heard the show did better but I never. I never watched it or anything.

Jordan:

It got canceled anyway so oh, it depends on what you think by better. It was no, that's not true, that's just me. It was better, but then it got canceled and then you lose interest and you lose, like, your commitment to it as well.

Fabienne:

Like you know what, I'm not even going to bother, but yeah but I so I do think fourth wing will make an excellent show and I will 400 watch it, and I'm still definitely going to read the third book, but I'm also in no rush to get my hands on it. It could be in five years and I'd still be like cool that's a very specific number.

Jordan:

I have to say let's just reconvene in five years, please, and then we'll see what happens. But I am totally with you on the Slowburn front. I think it would have just been so much more interesting for them to like have the first kiss at like the end of Fourth Wing. And then you know this very sneaking around type of relationship throughout iron flame, where she finds out that he betrayed or like you know whatever, like he kept secrets from violet, but then she has these conflicting feelings, like oh, but I just started to like you. You know, this is such like an intense feeling I want to pursue this, but also I can't. Um, and then, just as she maybe like over it, has overcome these realizations of okay, but you betrayed me in some way, but I like you more than I feel hurt by your betrayal, and then he turns.

Fabienne:

That would have been such a better storyline than what have happened, than what has happened now right, or I thinking too, because there's such a fine line between like hate and love that I think it would be so dope if they really did hate each other. But their feelings were like almost like a mixture of do I am I starting to like you but I still hate you? Type thing, and like have like the first kiss at the end of like fourth wing, but then it's almost like it was like it got the better of them, type thing. And then iron flame was this conflicting? I mean the first half.

Fabienne:

I mean I did really enjoy the first half, but I think that's because they didn't even spend it together and it was like her and her dragons, um, but like the first half of the book they barely spent together. And then 50 to 80% or 85% they did spend together and I was bored out of my mind. And then 85 to the end picked up for sure, but that's because of like the fighting and like the war and all that stuff. I was surprised, though, with the dragon with solas oh, and like that.

Jordan:

Oh, I thought you meant like with solas in the cave oh, no um, with her dragon being like the seventh dragon.

Fabienne:

Oh and she, she has like all the different colors. I was very surprised. I was surprised there. I mean I still saw it coming because like once she was like oh wait, we're like, oh, okay, there's another dragon and she's it.

Fabienne:

But so I I do, but I do still have to say rebecca's really good about writing something. Where it's at the end of the chapter she makes you want to read the next chapter. It's like almost ending on like baby cliffhangers to get you to read the next chapter. That is true even though, even though I still don't care about their relationship, I do really like. I do like what I and I think we talked about in the last podcast. I do really like the friend relationship group, like the four of them. Oh yeah, oh my god. And rebecca just killed off fucking everybody in this book, like everybody was just dying.

Jordan:

Honestly, I I just saw it happening. I just stood by and just watched on to the next, because there were so many names and, like in this one, I could not keep count, do you? I mean, nadine was killed off, frank, okay, honestly they just got off, like in the first half of the uh of this book.

Jordan:

I do not remember any dean from like fourth ring, like the first book. So when she got killed, like oh, okay, and this is supposed to be bad, like who is she? Do I have an emotional connection to this one girl like in in this book? No, okay, the next, and then all of a sudden everyone just like starts dropping like fucking flies but what about the one?

Fabienne:

I don't even remember who it was, but when solace was in the cave and he just like whipped a girl to the side and just killed her, my thing is is like it makes no sense, because then he does the same thing to violet, yet she lives.

Jordan:

I was like you could have let the other girl live, or like some some violet is so fragile it does not make sense exactly, but physically, literally well, not too literally because you know she's a fucking book character, but as literal as she can be, she breaks all her goddamn bones whenever she likes, you know, stops her pinky toe like to whatever, her foot nearly falls off. And now when she went, just thrown like okay, and there were so many like I don't want to say loopholes, but inconsistencies.

Fabienne:

That's what I was going to say, and then I didn't know if that was like the right word. I'm also so pissed because at the end of us reading part one, I was waiting for her signet, her second one, because she has two dragons. Not once did she get a second one, but fucking zayden did so like where's hers?

Jordan:

and well, if this still is set to be like a six book series, then I am sure we'll find out in book fucking six, maybe novella six and a half. Um, what I am really curious about how did satan keep this a secret? Because in fourth wing we see this one guy. Uh, when he finds out, like when he um, um, figure, figure, figures out like his power, he is screaming like to all the people, like on I want to say the grass patch, like in in their um academy, like, oh, I can hear I thought I'm going crazy. And then he's just like um, I don't even remember who walks up to him, but like his neck is, um, is broken, gets twisted.

Jordan:

Yes, thank you well, so much more dramatic but then, oh what, sorry, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just curious, like if he can't cope with, like, all of those voices. But he was also intrinsic because it was a violation to other people. How does zayden, you know, like, how did he keep it one to himself? How did he not go crazy?

Fabienne:

because zayden doesn't actually hear people's thoughts. He gets like the feeling you get right before you have the thought.

Fabienne:

So it's more of like a character feeling, of like before you do something like it's true it's like that initial like thought before you kill someone like he, so he knows they're gonna like kill him. So that kind of makes sense on like why he's such a good fighter, like he knows you're gonna throw a right hook right before you throw a right hook. But and then he was also saying too that I guess it's not like super strong and his like shadows are stronger. So when people asked him what his like next thought was or what his next her, his second signet was, he could say, oh, nothing, because his shadows were so strong that they believed his shadows were just stronger because of it.

Fabienne:

So at least that made sense, because I was also wondering the same thing, like how did he not get his head cut off or whatever, but he lived? Technically, because he's then and now oh, but we know they're gonna find a reversal here, oh of course.

Jordan:

well, talk, well talk about reversals, because I have seen I think theory is maybe like too big of a word here, but I've seen like speculations, if you will like, on Instagram floating around where they think that Violet's second signet is going to be like either not necessarily the turning back of time, because adar and I had that power when she was like, uh, younglin, hatchling, featherling, featherling, you featherling, yes, that sounded so hawkward, see, it did, um, it kind of did, yes, um, damn, now I lost my train of thought I bet you there's to be witches in the third book.

Fabienne:

Witches and wizards, oh my god Jesus Christ a little bit of magic in there.

Jordan:

Oh my goodness, if that actually happens, if there's witches, I'm going to yeet myself off the balcony just like straight out a window. Oh man, honestly, I could see it happening. There's gonna be witches. Yeah, there's gonna be witches.

Fabienne:

I can see it too. I can honestly see like I just yeah, okay, sorry, you can keep going now oh, no, how.

Jordan:

How did you feel about, um, the whole cat situation? And not even like Kat, just like the interference between her and Satan, but more of like also the background of Kat, like with the Griffins, like with their school, like them being flyers, their entire methodology, for lack of a better term. I felt so overflooded with like information, like the first half of the second half of the book. I was like like my eyes and like my cocks. In my head we were, it was all just like turning. It's one big chaos okay.

Fabienne:

So like I feel like it did things happen, this book, especially the second half, happened very fast and I think honestly, I think Rebecca just needs to learn how to like slow down and just like prolong things and like details are nice and important, but also, if I hear cats, if I read one more cat name, oh my god, I was gonna throw the book. I was getting so frustrated because it was almost like she was introduced and then it was like bam, here are all these cat references of her, like comparing her cat being in there cat yeah for like her emotions and stuff, and I was like I get it.

Fabienne:

I get it because you have to create that like enemy. But I'm also like, can we not like I'm kind of over cat, like it's like it. I think it's just because she came out of nowhere and then it was just like all of a sudden, all at once, and it wasn't like I don't know and it wasn't very. I think it would have been nicer if it was more low-key and then you find out after the fact. So then if you were to read it again, you would see like, oh, that's like Kat heightening her emotions or like that's, there's Kat heightening her emotions. Like I think it could have been.

Fabienne:

I think this book could have been written better, to be completely honest, and I don't know if it's just because I it's so weird, because I really did love Fourth Wing and I loved everything about it. And then I don't know what it is about this book that just like fell completely flat for me. I even posted when I read it and I had one of my friends who messaged me and she was like, oh my God, what do you think? Because she had read part of fourth wing but was super excited for it and then she still had to finish it and I was like, oh, it was okay. And she was like I feel like you're being really nice and I was like I am, yeah yeah it, uh, it was a conflicting story for me in that regard, that's for sure.

Jordan:

But I, I have seen, I think, oh, I'm so sorry no, no, you go, you go well, I think, like what you just said now, like with the pacing, like the editing, it could have been such a better book.

Jordan:

Like if things might have been like left out and been put like in the third book or like just being fleshed out better, um, and not so.

Jordan:

On the nose there was this bookstagrammer I can't remember I handled for the life of me, but it was, it was a real or like um story, whatever, where she said like this book felt so incredibly, uh, rushed, um.

Jordan:

Also, if you look at the time frames of when fourth thing was published and this book was published, it felt like the editor, or like the publisher not the editor, my bad, the publisher was rushing to get this book out for whatever fuck reason, um, and then a deadline just had to be met and pull your hands back and that's it. Um, whereas if that potentially because it's all hypothetical, of course if that not had been the case, then Rebecca would have had more time than Iron Flame could have been released, again hypothetically and potentially like in January or February, and then she would have would have had more time to actually fleshing out the story, or like to flesh out the story, I should say, and I didn't really give it that much thought, but now that you mentioned it too, I'm like you know what? Yeah, actually I think this was published way too soon.

Fabienne:

Yeah, almost like it's. I just don't. I don't understand why they felt the need to rush it if that is what they did, unless and who knows maybe this story was already ready before. The fact. Like what if, like all the books were are all like um, I don't want to say like written, but like what if the outlines for all the books are like done and it's just like kind of filling in the details and the gaps? So it is very possible. But then then that's more on Rebecca for just her story. It's just. It's weird, because usually you you get more details and get more in depth than a story and get more in depth than a story. But for whatever reason, I feel like you either have to keep everything like basic and minimal, like fourth wing yeah, or it needs to be I don't even know what to be the like I feel like, and it's so hard and I know I should not do this, but these kind of stories yeah, lay it on me.

Fabienne:

Well, I always compare to Sarah, like I even though this has nothing to do with like Faye and things like that, and I get it, but I just, I think I always come back and I like just compare a lot to her.

Fabienne:

But I feel like, even if you take Kat, kat's introduced probably like 40% into the book, like we get her name, and then it's still like another like 10% before we even meet her, and then there's so much hate towards Kat and Violet and then all of a sudden, at the very end, cat's like oh my god, you saved me, like now I need to save you. Like there's still, it's just like two, everything's happening too fast. Now, like I felt like the progression in fourth wing worked, like it was definitely. It was like very well paced, it's like simple, I worked for the story, but then it was like almost like and I don't know if this is like a book that they're trying to set up for the next, so they just needed to jump out. But then I feel like, in that case, don't have them go back to school, like they shouldn't have gone back to the war college, they should have stayed in. Like the revolution or revelation or whatever they want to fucking call it, but I, which we don't even know really what their goal is.

Jordan:

By the way, I thought it was to defeat, defeat to defeat all the venon.

Fabienne:

Isn't that their goal?

Jordan:

yeah, but that, technically speaking, like take away the secrecy of the rebellion and whatever, that should not be a goal for the revolution.

Fabienne:

It should be to overthrow, yeah, or is it to get everybody aware of the venen?

Jordan:

Yeah, but then why all the secrecy? I don't know. Maybe I am being like very nitpicky, that's the word, right being like, okay, but I would have also loved to see more like about brennan's storyline. Like we know how he survived, sort of. But how and why? Well, not even how. Why, why did the man join the revolution? Why that's not even being made clear. All of a sudden, like he falls to his death, turns out to be alive after what? Five, six years? I have to say Violet's still pretty chill about it. Mira also just accepted it for because that's fiction for you, of course. But why did he join? I feel like there is so much more to that storyline too, and then again, I hope that that's being like that.

Jordan:

This was just like a setup for book three, um, but he is like the son of like um, um, of their mother, like, uh, what's her name? Like that. Or like what was the name? Uh, something, something, soaring gale, uh, lila. Like what's her title, thank you, I mean, what's her name? Or like what was her name? Something, something, sorengale Lilith, or like what's her title, thank you, I mean, like, what's her title? Like commander General, oh, general Commander. Like she was the opposite, one of the top. She was like, yeah, but she was like the opposition of, obviously, the rebellion and this is good and they are bad.

Fabienne:

And then all of a sudden he dies and then, oh you know what, I'm gonna rebel now against my mother for no apparent reason well, and also how they um brought back up the wards, but they can only do it once, so now they brought the award wards back up at the college. So there's just so much jumping around. I just and I think this just goes to show that not saying that you can't be a fantasy writer if you're a romance writer like we see a lot of self-published authors do it and like indie authors do it. But if you're writing military romances, maybe stay in your own lane. And I know that's so harsh of me to say and I'm so sorry for anybody that actually really liked this book, but maybe I'm just like. So I think I just put it on such a high pedestal and don't and still don't get me wrong. I loved Fourth Wing and I think if she continued in that direction I don't even know.

Jordan:

Have you seen the reviews on Amazon and Goodreads for this one? Because they're not high, they're not all very positive, it's very mediocre and somewhat on a positive side. So so to say like, or like to say the least, but the majority is like bad and negative reviews. People were expecting so much like from it but they were let down, felt like, disappointed, um, and I hope that, like the publisher, the editor, even rebecca looks at it, takes into account, ceases that, fees, uh, sees it at um, ask feedback and then just like change, maybe like the trajectory of the story, hopefully interesting my thing is is like there's no problem with waiting a year so or more, so like why not just?

Fabienne:

but okay, now that you say that, though, I have noticed that no one is talking about it on Instagram, like I do, like I, I I don't I haven't seen any reviews or anything, but I didn't want to sway my review by seeing other people's reviews, you know. So I kind of like avoided that until I can get my review up there, but I've, like I feel like when fourth wing came out even pre came out, there was like it was everywhere people like who got the arc and like I, I read, well, I didn't like email the publisher, but the publisher has like a form you can fill out to possibly get set up and there are like news, um, they're like arc system and like galleys and stuff, and I applied for it because I wanted the iron flame, um arc, like physical arc, and I was like thank fucking god I never hurt anybody because I it would have been horrible if I got that arc and I know I'm just being even harsher now. It that more time has passed, because we did finish this like a couple weeks ago and I think I would have been a lot. I would have been a lot nicer if we recorded it then, because, if you think about it, I still finished the book and I still had a good time, like it wasn't like a chore to finish, but it's not.

Fabienne:

I, I don't think I'd be rereading this series like I was. I wanted to possibly reread fourth wing before this one came out, but then I just decided to do like a quick review, like read a review or a recap, and honestly, I'm pretty sure I would just do that every single time for the next book to come out and read the next book. Um, I don't think I will ever reread this series. Uh, I guess I pre-ordered the edition which is supposed to be a stunning edition of Iron Flame. I am either going to do a giveaway or sell it now. I mean you can't read it.

Jordan:

It's in German.

Fabienne:

But, and she signed. Did you see one of her reels? She signed 15,000 copies that were now spread all through a bunch of different Barnes and Nobles so you can buy a signed copy. And I was at a Barnes and Noble and there were signed copies on the table. A ton, just so many signed copies and, who knows, maybe they just put them out. But I went over there and I was like, yeah, I don't need a signed copy. Now, if I could get a signed copy of Fourth Wing, I'd probably do it Because I still stand by like that was a good book. I really enjoyed that one.

Jordan:

I get it. Oh, is this the German version?

Fabienne:

Like with the purple edges, yes, and then supposedly, if you take off the dust jacket, it's a really stunning like dragon.

Jordan:

Nice the dust jacket. It's a really stunning like dragon, like um nice, like on the hardback. Yeah, yeah, no, I'll, uh, I'll wait, happily, uh, five more years for book number five. Five, wow, three, oh God.

Fabienne:

I wonder, when the third book plans on coming out, Like if they're if they're following the same schedule I was going to say, is it coming out in like March or May? Cause I feel like that's like about the same schedule, right.

Jordan:

That is true. Yeah, I have literally no idea. Isn't there, like, any predicted dates on Goodreads?

Fabienne:

I'm actually looking that up right now.

Jordan:

Yeah, good.

Fabienne:

So what did you? What? There is nothing right now, nope, on Goodreads. Like, if you go to the series, I wonder if there was something there, because there is a third one, but now it's just labeled as Fourth Wing and Iron Flame, and then it has the series one and two. I'm curious, do you think? Do they think if, like, well, I'm actually seeing that it still did, really still did kind of well, there's a lot of five star reviews on Goodreads for the, for the second book maybe I just turned a blind eye to that only.

Jordan:

maybe, like filtered the three-star reviews. I gave it three stars and it's not even like. For me it's not even worth three stars, it's too.

Fabienne:

I gave it three 3.25 stars.

Jordan:

You are too kind for this world.

Fabienne:

But I it's like tough because I still like I finished it and I still enjoyed the first half. So I feel like I couldn't. But I'm curious if they'll take in the suggestions that people put and like give it more time for the third book, like I almost wonder if they'll um if they're smart, they're gonna do that exactly like and just kind of wait, they're not yeah, and if they're not, then I only see like dollar, dollar bills.

Jordan:

Then they're gonna rush it again. It's gonna fly, yeah, and then the show is gonna get canceled and it's all just and it's just gonna be bad time.

Fabienne:

I wish I wish there was like more. I do wonder if they had like stuff like out about it. I'm curious, I'm like seeing if I can go in their publisher like pretty silent about it, I have to say oh my god, rebecca was on.

Jordan:

Good morning america I saw, is that a big thing?

Fabienne:

like a news thing in new york but it's like pretty big I am. I do have to say like I am really excited for a lot of their books upcoming, like Red Tower, like a lot of their upcoming books. I'm actually super excited for it.

Jordan:

But Red Tower, it's just like fourth wing, but then like with extra chapters from Sina's perspective, isn't it?

Fabienne:

Red Tower is the publisher.

Jordan:

Taking back my words. I haven't said a thing anyways, but I yeah, so I don't know, I am still for sure going to read the third book whenever it comes out, but again, me too, only for me to rip in a new one.

Fabienne:

I still yeah, I still love fourth wing and I still love dragons. I got a dragon rider necklace. I'm waiting for it to come in and I'm so excited I'm gonna wear it you got the dragon from morally gray k2.

Jordan:

I'm gonna show you. Anyways, that was really cute. Um, do I need to add? Oh, no, I don't have to add it. It's so cute. What is the material? I can't place it so it's um.

Fabienne:

She did it on a three print 3d printer, so it's just like plastic oh, I think it sounds like lego you know like that, oh my god, I know, and it's so like um, because it's it's like every, it's like movable, like you can move the wings, like it's like kind of cool, like so cool, yeah, and I just I really wanted one and I'm so happy I finally got one and I'm just obsessed.

Jordan:

It looks really cute, so does this one. Is this one supposed to like represent Adarna Like in her adult form? Teenage form?

Fabienne:

Can you hear me? Yeah, a little.

Jordan:

Okay, wait, I'm coming back.

Fabienne:

I'm coming back. Okay, thank you, yeah, oh well, okay, wait, I'm coming back, I'm coming back.

Jordan:

Okay, thank you. Yeah, no, I'll wait. You put away your dragon, I just got to put my dragon back, of course.

Fabienne:

Now, I just want it to be a dragon. I don't want it to be related to Forthwing.

Jordan:

It's just understandable. Just a cute pet dragon.

Fabienne:

Thank you so much for listening listening and please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us. So catch you next time. Bye.