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The Bookish Hour
Onyx Storm by Rebecca Yarros (part two)
BOOKCLUB PART TWO -- with all the SPOILERS
We are back with discussing the full book of Onyx Storm by Rebecca Yarros with brutally honest opinions about the third installment in the popular dragon-rider series. Their candid conversation reveals disappointment in the book's direction and execution after loving the first book in the series.
• Critical analysis of how the book falls short of expectations set by Fourth Wing
• Discussion of the numerous filler chapters and lack of substantial plot development
• Examination of inconsistent worldbuilding and confusing introduction of runes
• Thoughts on the underdeveloped romance between Violet and Xaden
• Questions about the mysterious "six most powerful" and theories about Llewellyn
• Exploration of fan theories including potential pregnancy storylines
• Frustration with rushed writing and editing process
• Agreement that despite disappointments, they're invested enough to read the next book
Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
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welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob love that sound.
Fabienne:I love that sound. Um, so are we going to pretend that we didn't already like chat for like half an hour? Or, or, like oh my gosh, it was a half an hour I didn't even realize.
Jordan:Well, um time flies yes, guys, it really does. Really, does so anything new and exciting to talk about?
Fabienne:well, I'll just, I'll just keep it like tiny or like just, you know, like small in that sense. Um, uh, the house, the new place, um, we're making good progress, okay. Okay, I feel I honestly at this point and I didn't tell you this before but I feel like we could literally like start our own, like contractor type of like, um company like jay, my mom, my dad and my uncle, like an like a little family type of like you know?
Jordan:Oh, that'd be so cute, you should.
Fabienne:They were even like they were like literally joking about it today.
Fabienne:I mean, I've probably said this like a few times already and even on a podcast too, I'm sure, like my dad and my uncle, like they have, they're like freelancers for like a contract or contracting type of company I don't even know how you call it the contracting company, like the contractors, um, but they build a lot of shit, and my mom and I were really good at painting, like indoor painting, mind you.
Fabienne:Like we have like all the techniques, we have like all the paint brushes, like all you know, like the, the life hacks, the tips and tricks, um, also, my mom is like a really huge diy-er di, yeah, diy-er and she just loves to look up like little like tips and tricks online so that she can like implement all those new things. Like, when she comes over and like, hey, fab, I, I read this online, like with the, the paintbrush, and you don't need to have like the newest of that, you can just like cut it off, and then you have, like you know, like a diagonal paintbrush and then you can like cut all the edges like oh my god, that's so smart. Um, and then jay, kind of like you know, I guess snowballed like downhill from there in the sense of like we should really start our own company.
Jordan:We are really good at this flip houses, flip houses.
Fabienne:You know, house rules ain't got nothing on us. The block usa, the block australia. We are the next thing. Yeah, um, but it's really fun. I mean, um, it's, it's really like, really, uh, it makes me just really fucking happy to see like the entire place really come together, like all the puzzle pieces are like you know, like they fall together. Like the bathroom is done, um, the downstairs like toilet, like the half bath, I think is what you call it is done. Uh, kitchen is practically done. Just need to have, like you know, like a second coat of paint downstairs and that's it.
Jordan:I am so happy, so I guess that's my good thing I'm so excited for you I like can't wait until you're like fully. I want like a video when you're like fully, all moved into like I want to see where everything is I need to like picture it. I need to see.
Fabienne:I'm so excited you and me both you, you gotta promise that you will come visit me in this place too oh, I have to.
Jordan:It's like your next place. I have to. I mean, okay, okay, I got a free place to stay. How could I not? It's better.
Fabienne:Like I promised you, it's not going to be like an air mattress this time. It's going to be an actual bed.
Jordan:So wait, but I liked that air mattress.
Fabienne:That was nice to be fair, it was a good. It was a good mattress. It was a good mattress. But now you get your own room and not just the entire living room to yourself so exciting, I just like it's so exciting like a house I know, I know I can't believe it, sorry.
Fabienne:Just yeah, it's basically my entire like the sounds that I make during the day is just like you know. You know like happy wiggles, like happy dancing and just like giggling throughout. My uncle gets kind of annoyed with me. At this point I feel like, oh my God, can't you just like be silent just for once? I'm like no, because you're too damn excited.
Jordan:Yeah, how can you like not be? Have you figured out like, because, because, like I know, you're still in Amsterdam, but like, have you figured out like, is it like the same about getting to work from your house as from, like, your place where you're?
Fabienne:were before. Good, good question. And yes, it literally is. See it as like, see it as like a circle. Basically just for, like those visual learners out there, the top of the circle is like or like literally any point at the circle is where I work and then the other side obviously is where I live. But it's literally just like. If you go like the right way or like the left way of the circle, it literally is the same distance. Also like with public transport, also with like the bike and like the ferry, it's all the same distance oh my gosh that's so nice might not have been like the best example not to think about it.
Fabienne:Maybe a triangle was a better example, but you know it. To answer your question, yes, it's the same like time, like commute. So that's what's nice it is. It is I don't have to like get up earlier, I don't have to set like an earlier alarm, I don't. It doesn't take me any longer to get back from work. So only pros here, no cons. Yeah.
Jordan:Oh yeah.
Fabienne:I do have one con, though. Oh no, and I feel like that's no, no, no. I feel like that's like a nice segue to what we're actually going to talk about. Or was that too early?
Jordan:I think that was early. I was going to mention my work trip, oh.
Fabienne:I am so caught up in my own fucking story. I am so narcissistic I do apologize.
Jordan:No, oh my God, as you should be no.
Fabienne:No, that was a horrible thing and I'm a good friend. Please tell me about your work trip, sweetheart.
Jordan:I'm so sorry oh yes, I am set to leave, like as we're recording this. I'm like set to leave like next week and I'm going to be like going out of state for this work trip, which I'm slightly actually very terrified because I'm going by myself, so it's not like no one else from my company is going with me. So, and I've done like these kind of work trips in the past but usually someone else is like point person, like the lead, and then I just like follow behind them to do and in my own world and it's like great because like someone else has done like all the work.
Jordan:I mean it's still work for the like everyone else that goes, but at least, like someone's been like the point person type thing, but now I'm the point person and it's a lot. So like I'm excited but I'm also like now I can't wait for it to be over.
Fabienne:But I'm gonna keep it very vague because like I don't want to like no, I get that, gotta keep it vague, but still I mean it's a big responsibility. But also it's really nice that someone is like putting that faith in you. You know like you're getting your I know, but should they girl?
Fabienne:well, yes, jordan, honey, you are all girl, we are almost 32, they should. We can take on this responsibility, and I'm speaking like from the collective. We here because, yes, we can, yes, you can. I don't want to sound too Obama-like, but yes, yes, we can, we can do it. Yes, that is really so exciting. Wait, can I ask what state? Or do you really want to be vague, vague?
Jordan:I'm gonna be vague. Vague here, okay, because like technically, when this episode actually airs, it's already happened. But I'm sure people can piece it together, but I'm gonna keep it vague anyways okay I'll tell you later yeah, okay, please. Should have told you that before. But anyways, now we can get to it. So this episode is part two of Onyx Starm by Rebecca Yaros, which is basically the second half of the book and the whole book and the whole book and nothing but the book.
Fabienne:The whole, yeah, yes, and the whole book and nothing but the book. Um, yeah, yes, uh, and do we swear to tell nothing but the truth? Uh, yes, yes, yes, we do. Um, it's gonna be a very brute type like of honest truth, though, which?
Jordan:to be completely honest, I'm more curious on your thoughts because I think you liked the first half more than I did. So what did you think?
Fabienne:of this half. No, no, no, no, no, that was only like the only half that I liked and then it just kind of went downhill for me. Oh, yeah, that I liked, and then it just kind of went downhill for me. Um yeah, I I saw like you post about it like the other day, about how you dodged like all the spoilers, and I did too, and I was.
Fabienne:I mean, I want to say I was glad, but, to be fair, I've seen now all like all the spoilers that you come across, like on your for you page or whatever on Instagram, tiktok, you name it. I'm like that's not like a big spoiler, like they just like let me just put it like this All the spoilers that you are warned about, like on social media, and you do watch them like after the fact, after you've read the book. I'm like those spoilers were not that big of a spoiler. They were just like dialogues that were just somewhat interesting. You know, I say between air quotes, um little hints and things that like happened in the book but didn't really happen as in like nothing happened.
Jordan:no, there was book. Yeah, like especially, I was waiting for this like giant ending which I guess she was told to like remove her memory about. Like imogen is what told her she?
Jordan:imogen took her memory, yeah so I feel like that was like the one thing, but like it's not even like that big of a spoiler, because you don't know what she fucking doesn't have. So I feel like, if anything, it'd be like the next book and like I thought maybe her sister was gonna die, but then rebecca like brought her back to life, so I know how how, like, how cowardly.
Fabienne:Honestly, like just buddy off.
Jordan:I know she already took like liam from us and that was like literally the only sad thing that ever happened in this series so far yeah, and I I'm mad at myself because a few people have sent me like their theories, like in in the sense of like instagram, theories like reels, and I meant to watch them before we started recording so I could see them, but like I didn't do that, so like I can't go in, but I did. I remember like saying, I think in the first half that, uh, people had theories of like. I think in the first half that people had theories of like someone taking her memory away. So I was like, okay, well, that theory came true, but I feel like my I'm like not going to review this book on Instagram or like Bookstagram, which I think you might have, but I didn't read it because I hadn't finished it, and now I need to go back and read it.
Fabienne:Yeah, I did, but it wasn't like groundbreaking in the sense of, you know, like a positive review. I mean, it was an honest review. That's all I'll say about it. The thing is, I think with this book rebecca I'm just gonna, I'm on first name base with this woman Rebecca got stuck, I feel like, in this very confusing and like to me personally, meaningless fantastical world that she's like created. I don't feel like she has that much of a story left to tell because she like crimped it all.
Fabienne:Like in fourth wing there is like this huge potential it's a fourth wing, so fucking good I know, so I'm just really downhill I'm just really fucking curious what happened between fourth wing and iron flame I? What happened to her like mental state?
Jordan:like well, I have one right right, there was like, still like sorry, you go you go, because I'm I just need to wind up. Yes, get it out. A lot of people have said that rebecca yaros has this like condition that violet has. So she's like has these like aches and pains and like I don't know exactly what violetet has. But apparently Rebecca has it too and so like she's like writing from herself. So apparently Iron Flame was rushed Clearly we know that because it came out like months later after Fourth Wing, so and that apparently that like destroyed her, like mentally and physically writing this book in such a quick time frame.
Jordan:And to be completely honest, which I don't know why she felt the need. I'm sure it's not on Rebecca, I'm sure it's on like the publisher, like they're rushing to get this out, but I don't know why. If like that was your thought process, why didn't you have like all the books written before you started with fourth right? Exactly to each his own? But my thing is is then we have to wait a year for this one. So, like, fine, that's great, but I feel like we shouldn't give us anything with this one. Like I don't know, but like I also don't. It fucking boggles. You know what someone told me. Someone told me that people have been saying the people have been saying that.
Jordan:People have been saying that, like this book fucking sucks. And then the people that love it but the people that love it are like you just don't get it. It's too complex of a world to understand and you don't get it. It's too complex of a world to understand and you don't get it.
Fabienne:I'm like excuse me.
Jordan:Excuse me, you think this is fucking complex. I'm like no, this is just a shitty ass book. What are you talking about? And I'm like dying. I've known so many people that loved Fourth Wing, wouldn't finish Iron Flame and give no fucks about this one. Oh wait, I was going somewhere with that but I don't remember.
Fabienne:But like it doesn't matter, spiral all that you want, because this book was like just went down to drain. In that sense too, it was just fucking horrible, like nothing.
Jordan:Nothing happened, nothing and like nothing made sense. I like still can't get over the fact that she just like started implementing like military terms, like I know we brought this up last episode and what you said makes complete sense, that like people were like you need, like it, you need, you should implement this. But then I think you fucked up and you should have rolled with what you were doing for the books one and two. Um, I also. But like I think, because, like I think that could have made so much sense, because, like violet being a scribe originally coming into like the war college, like having to learn these new terms would have been great, um, and maybe even if fourth wing didn't have it, it would have been fine, because you're still in the school environment, you're still working based off that.
Jordan:But, like iron flame, like this series has so much fucking potential and I will say that I know like so much fucking potential. I also think too, like I think re Rebecca is just trying to put too many things at once into this series, which was the problem of Iron Flame too, like there were too many elements of like, too many like fantastical, like bits and putting in the runes, remember that, like I think she should have just rolled with, I think, like dragons.
Jordan:I didn't understand, Girl.
Fabienne:I didn't understand a fucking thing about the runes. I still don't. The wars what are like the wars? Like a dome type of like protect? I think that actually was the case, but I'm still so fucking confused by it.
Jordan:The runes make zero sense. The runes make zero sense in my mind. I'm like, why do you need to implement them? I it? I feel like, okay, the way it feels like it's being written is a clear. I have a feeling these runes are going to come into play in like the last book, but she's like, oh fuck, I forgot to talk about them. Let's bring them in real quick, when she should have like mentioned them like first book. But like, I think, like and I think that's the thing is like what I said the last episode, like the simplicity of like how simple this is, like I think it works for fourth wing because you're being introduced to the world, like it needs to be simple, like it should be simple and like trying to keep it for these two.
Fabienne:I think wait. Can I tag on that Wait is?
Jordan:that how you say it even.
Fabienne:Like I think, because from what I understand and I think we've talked about this before like she usually writes contemporary romance books right With like a military like undertone usually writes contemporary romance books right with like a military like undertone. Do you think it might be like possible for her that she doesn't really know what to do with a story that doesn't end after book one, or like with a world that actually needs expending, or like explaining?
Jordan:oh, maybe. Well, and I still kind of wondered that to begin with, you know what someone was. Someone else told me is.
Jordan:They said you know how she like you know how she writes military romances. So they said, take uh, take iron flame and replace all the dragons with helicopters. It's like a military romance. And I was like holy shit, it is. But I now I struggled getting through this like I know a lot of people. I think you saw my story where I like posted my goodreads review that saying like in caps. I finally finished it like thank fuck.
Jordan:So many people laughed at that, but I like I should have I was just so excited that I was finally done with it, Like I just.
Fabienne:It just dragged on.
Jordan:It was like hanging over my head Because I like, and, like you know, I got the audio, which, thank goodness, I did Just because that helped push me through, because, like I, even though I had to, like, fully pay attention, like listening wise, but the, the audiobook did give me a little bit more, in the sense that, like, when certain scenes were happening, like, um, I listened to the scene where Traeger died, like he got the arrow through the heart, yeah, um, like, and that helped that seed because that was like I don't know who that guy is and I felt nothing for him, but like, I wanted to ask that like did like, did it do like.
Fabienne:Did it impact you like in any?
Jordan:no, me neither no, literally, I think it was, I think it was just like an inch.
Fabienne:Oh girl, I don't even remember that Quinn was like who was this girl? I, oh wait, I, I think I mean I can. I can understand, like the traeger death happening like, why that happened. Because it showed us that cat was like really over satan, satan, so that she was not like I feel like, um, I want to say, uh, what's the word? Uh, like a rifle of violets anymore, like a roman's rival for like violet, but it's quinn. I also didn't understand, like all the differences, like all the different perspectives.
Jordan:At the end it was so fucking confusing I think, because I think she had to put that in there, because violet's scene was very like anticlimactic not anticlimactic but like boring. It was like very simple again, and anybody that says this story's fucking complex is fucking wrong.
Fabienne:But anyways, um I think she had that came from really down deep.
Jordan:I feel like I just like, I feel like people start with this. This is like your breakout into fantasy, and if you haven't read any people start with this. This is like your breakout into fantasy, and if you haven't read any fantasy, start with this and you're going to love it. You're going to love it, you're going to love it. You're going to love it. You read anything else before this.
Fabienne:You're going to fucking hate it. Yeah, this is like your stepping stone into the genre. You know, fantastic, you do what you got to do. Do you immerse yourself in this baski of the dragon wielding writing world, but do not start with rona glass or like akatar or like anything else.
Jordan:and then you know, like in this because you're fucked really yeah, but I think if you really actually dive into it someone else was was telling me too, like they're, like I actually don't feel any love between Violet and Zayden. All I feel is lust. Like, yeah, they're like obsessed with each other in the sense that they want to sleep together, but I don't feel any of the love that they have. And I was like, honestly, yeah, honestly, yeah, yeah, I just I'm not even here for the romance anymore. Like again, when the like romance in the sense of like any of the spicy scenes, like I just squirrel, squirrel, squirrel, like I don't, I, I didn't want it, like I wasn't here for it like I just wanted, okay, the one redeem, one saving.
Jordan:The one moment where I was like okay was when um mirror was dying and um, her brother's like trying to mend her, and then sloan's there, and then dane comes and dane's like dane's like take my power and give it to brennan, and sloan's like I don't, I don't want to do it. And he's like eyes, eyes here, eyes on me, eyes on me. And I was like okay, dane, that's the only thing okay.
Fabienne:Do you know how bad that is like if it's not even like the main like character or like the main couple in the sense of like you know they're them being like two, like they're being two of them, but like if we feel, as readers, more for secondary like characters and their possible blooming relationship as opposed to like the actual main characters relationship. That's like just bad writing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I mean you're not wrong.
Jordan:You're not wrong I feel like if it was like if we loved violet and zayden and Dane just had this moment, like that, that's like different. But like we don't like Violet or Zayden, I'm still very obsessed that, like Taryn and Violet, like Tarn whatever his fucking name is like uh-huh.
Fabienne:Their relationship is like honestly well said very eloquently it is really, it's, it's really poop, it really is also I was kind of missing him as in like. I missed him in this book because he wasn't as much on forefront as he was in iron flame exactly like I loved it, like I was at least iron flame.
Jordan:I loved the their relationship sort of like yeah they're back and forth, which was kind of in this, but like not really, and it made me sad because I just I wanted it to be there and again it wasn't and I'm like I just I will die on the hill that the series has so much potential, which is no, I'm not going to get into that right now, but like I feel, like I think I'm not sure if there's like an, even a possible release date for book four, but oh, I fit. Okay, I at least with Iron Flame. I like after I finished a chapter I'd want to read the next chapter, like I would want to keep going. This one I struggled through, like clearly, like you had finished it.
Fabienne:And you were like want to record, and I'm like, no, I don't, I haven't finished it yet, I'd rather not. You know why all the chapters are fillers. You know, like when you remember, like supernatural, like the tv show, like from way back when yeah you would have like.
Fabienne:Sometimes episodes are just literally filler episodes. They do nothing for like the grand scheme of, like the storyline. If you read only like the first few chapters of Onyx Storm and the last few chapters and you just skip the entire middle part, you would have missed nothing. Nothing of actual substance happened. I mean, sure they went, you know, island hopping, looking for all the eras, pure to you know, like for, like for, say it is like then in. But if you just like dropped it because also xan is is fine, like the entire book. I was just waiting and waiting for like the other shoe to drop, but everything just seemed to turn out fine.
Jordan:But then just like toward the end, very end, like I feel like the the bigger book will be like maybe the next book where he's like actually like gone, except that like a little tiny part of him or some shit.
Fabienne:No, it was just really a whole lot of melodramatics for me that was just like where, like the entirety of the book, and yeah, exactly like it would be a struggle.
Jordan:Like I remember for the first half I was like, finally, I done Like for this for us to like record and stuff, and then we like recorded and I was like fuck, I have to read again Like, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, yeah, and I just I don't.
Fabienne:You know what the fucked up thing is, though when, like, the next book comes out, I'm probably going to buy it and read it. Oh, I mean, I feel like I'm in too deep now. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't not read it. That's the fucked up thing, and I want to love it, you know.
Jordan:I feel like we're hate reading it at this point because since, like, what we're doing and I mean people at this point, people will know that the first episodes are literally right before this, so it's like now I think we just have to continue, yeah, just to follow along those lines. But, like I mean, I think we're getting the people that, of course, like do not like the book and not the people that are obsessed with this book. But I mean, there's still so the people that are obsessed with this book, but I mean there's still so many people that love it. And I almost like wonder, like if we didn't have, like bookstagram except I don't know it's different, because I feel like so many people went in being like this book is so good, like this one is so good, and I was like, ok, but maybe that's what like raised my expectations. So then, when I started, I was like what do you mean?
Jordan:it's so good, what do you mean?
Fabienne:Insert Jennifer Lawrence. What do you mean?
Jordan:What do you mean? What do you mean? But like actually, what do you mean? Because it's not yeah.
Fabienne:I kind of like, after I finished this one and call it research. Just do scrolling a fucking instagram. You know, whether you were looking left or right, everything that was like basically on my entire for you page was on a storm at that point because I wanted to look at all the theories, because I thought maybe, maybe I like, maybe this book indeed was complex, maybe it really was complicated for me to understand. That's why I didn't love it. So you know, I looked up theories.
Fabienne:One one of those theories I did want to ask you if you have theories, because I don't have any not me personally, but I like I said I did see some online and I would fucking despise it if that were true. So remember how, hopefully you remember, you didn't like just cram it like inside a little box and like stash it somewhere in like the back of your head. But do you remember how it was really obviously mentioned that like the dates, like it was so many days or like um days ago that satan like lost his temper, like lost his control. Some people believe that they are actually naming all the days, like I guess acknowledging them because Violet might be pregnant, Also because there were a few hints here, as in like she was nauseous a few times, she was really dizzy.
Fabienne:There are a few mentions of like did you take in that you know, whatever protection potion so she can't get pregnant? Um, but a lot of people think that she might be pregnant and if that were true, I'm gonna fucking swing this book out of my window yeah and when that happens it's gonna be three stories high, so I actually have a lot of space to throw it out from.
Jordan:You know, it really hits the ground harder yeah so yeah fuck, I don't want that theory to come true also riddick rightick yeah I don't know.
Fabienne:It's like a ripped off style stilinski. I did see other people like mentioned this too, but I wholeheartedly agree I love Stiles.
Jordan:I know I love it too, but he is like a ripped off he is no, you're right, he is. Oh fuck, now I'm sad. I like Stiles, but I I wish I looked up some theories because, like I have, no, I like honestly, honestly do not know where this story could go from here because, like, clearly, she found the arids like the lost dragon or whatnot, and they were like no, we're not gonna help you, and but anarda, anarda is back, she's back.
Jordan:So it's like I don't know. Yeah, like, but are they not bound anymore? Like I don't know, I have no fucking clue I have no idea, but like I also don't give two fucks I don't mind.
Fabienne:Well, I actually do mind, but you know, I also don't mind it's, it's a whole thing it's like I don't.
Jordan:I have like when it comes out, like you, I'm going to read it. Like I feel like we need to at this point, like for the podcast, podcast, that like it will happen, but I'm not in any rush for the next book. So it's like when it gets announced, like yeah, I'll preorder it, so it's here, but like I'm not.
Fabienne:Yeah. The funny thing is, though, is that I that I don't like, I don't necessarily hate it either. I mean, we said now, like we're just hate reading it. I mean, yes, to give it a like, to give it a name, but I don't like hate, but it's also just.
Jordan:It's just really not good. No, I think we're like just invested at this point, like I think if we really did hate it, we would not continue reading, because it's like, how can we do that to ourselves? But I think, like it is I. I also think in the back of my mind, I'm like hoping it will get better. So like I think, until we finish it, I always I think I will think the next book will be better. Yeah, but I think like and it's just so tough because I feel like not even just on Rebecca, but I feel like her editor, like I think like if they gave this more time, they would see that like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do that, like maybe we should. Who?
Jordan:is her editor I don't know, or like the like Tower team. Oh, you know, like I think like if the publisher like fully fleshed out this series or like the books, but it's almost like it's not getting like the proper like edits it needs, it's almost like, oh, rebecca's writing everything down, okay, off to print, Like it's not being fully fleshed out In my mind, but then again there's still like a ton of people that are loving it. So it's like good for them. Are we the mind? We're just, we're just not those people? No, we're not, but like, are we in the minority of like not liking this book? Like I know a ton of people didn't like iron flame and I feel like a lot of us are like in the same boat there.
Jordan:But this one, like people are liking it. But then there's people out there being like she had a one-hit wonder and that was like fourth wing and I was like huh, I mean, I'm kind of, I kind of agree, like I love fourth wing yeah wait, but you bet your ass, I'm oh yeah, yeah, sorry, no, no, no, finish that tagline I could bet your, bet your ass.
Jordan:I'm reading the next one there we go.
Fabienne:That's for theories oh yes, hit me um, I am so confused by the entire. Like Venon bit I yeah, I Like. Did you read? Like the theory, apparently?
Jordan:there's a brother Like oh yeah, I saw that.
Fabienne:Like do you know who the brother is? What are your? I thought it was.
Jordan:Jack. So everybody's like. I saw one reel about that, like that was a spoiler and they're like spoiler and it was like so everybody's like. I saw one reel about that like that was a spoiler and they're like spoiler and it was like his brother and they're like not liam or liam and liam is I don't know, but I was like I thought they confirmed that jack was the brother, because they're both venin, they're both like infected and shit. So I'm like a little confused about that. I still think the one thing is like if I now I'm terrified, I I never want to reread Fourth Wing because I think like if I were to reread it, I'm like not going to love it anymore. But oh no you can't reread that one.
Fabienne:It will take all the love that you possibly have for it. It will crunch it.
Jordan:Exactly. So I can't do it, but I think the one cool thing is, if this is true and where um violet noticed, like jack barlow bardo I don't remember his last name, jack uh he's like barlow.
Jordan:Okay, when he um, when she goes to fight him, at one time at like one point in the first book, um, she notices red around his eyes. So like if um rebecca was like foreshadowing, like venon at that point, like I think that's really cool and I think that would have been like I feel like that's like sarah j moss level, shit especially with the first, so she can write.
Fabienne:She's just not but, really that's the. That's the thing you don't listen to that anymore and no I that I.
Jordan:That's the thing is. I think this series is just not fleshed out enough. Like I think, like, like, if her editors took more time or if she, like I can understand too. Like, rebecca, like you're, you're writing this, you're thinking one thing, whether someone's going to interpret it that way or not, like you are still thinking of it. That's why there's supposed to be multiple people working on said book, because then you get like the outside perspectives, you get like a different view of someone that's not writing it. So that's why I feel like this is kind of like I'm not saying it's like solely rebecca's fault, not saying it's the publisher's fault, but I feel like the publisher could have, like, maybe given this a few more passes and been like, oh yeah, like maybe we should tighten this shit up maybe push back, like the release date, yeah yeah, and I I think that's like what it stemmed from.
Jordan:I think it all started with the release date of iron flame and I just think that was like too rushed it should have because like people were so obsessed with fourth wing and they still would have been so obsessed no matter when you, even if you waited until this point in time to release iron flame, like people would still be obsessed and I would be so, so fucking excited for iron flame, no matter when it was released. But now I just like don't care, no one cares give it. But I have seen a lot of people that like still didn't like fourth wing, so like I think I don't know, I don't know I don't like, I think, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know either, I don't know either.
Fabienne:No, I, I generally.
Jordan:So where do you think the story will go from here?
Fabienne:Yeah, well, hopefully uphill well, hopefully I generally have no idea. I think the next book is just going to be like a copy of a copy of, like this copy, and then it's going to end like another cliffhanger. Either someone is dead, but not really dead, like brennan, then someone is either going to be killed but, you know, like verified, persisted, like mira or someone's you know memory is going to be erased like violets, or satan is going to be like on the loose, whatever I I generally have no idea.
Fabienne:I will read it, like I said. I'm too invested, like you said too, but um, it's gonna take take a lot for me to like love the storyline. I have no idea. Yeah, do you have any like ideas?
Jordan:no, I'm like I keep thinking, like you know how like usually these series you want like this big epic battle at the end and I like can't tell if, like that's actually going to happen, like I don't think this like giant big epic battle is going to happen and I think that's gonna really do a disservice to the series in my mind, in my opinion in your very humble opinion, very personal one too yes.
Jordan:So I'm like not really sure, but I don't know, like where this is gonna go. Like I, maybe she's, maybe Zayden's gonna fucking die and she's gonna end up with Dane eyes on me, honestly, eyes on me. I wouldn't be here for it, I'd be here, for it.
Fabienne:I would not be mad right, like I.
Jordan:I mean, this is where Rebecca could kill him off. Like let's kill off Zayden. Someone else has shadows now.
Fabienne:Like yeah, oh wait. No, I also like wait. I want to note on one something that I think actually is somewhat interesting in this entire heap of shit that this book is like um, the six most powerful walk the earth, or whatever like are we talking like the dragons or are we talking like the cadets? Slash lieutenants, slash whatever with, like their signets I don't know, I don't remember that part.
Jordan:The six who walk the earth what?
Fabienne:yeah, well, like like the six most powerful, right, I think it was. It has something to do like with the wards, wards, wards and like the the runes last book, no, I don't remember, because apparently dane is like a whole lot powerful because kind of like noticed that when she was like siphoning off of him or whatever well, no see, like I feel like I missed something there because dane's like I have extra power to give, and I was like, when were you so fucking powerful?
Jordan:like what did we know this?
Fabienne:the whole time no, and then also because, we saw this.
Jordan:I thought they were just the two powerful.
Fabienne:Well, apparently, what's her name? Imogen is also really fucking powerful, because she did something. And then Garak was like we gotta talk about this later, yes, and then Garak he kind of like no, no, no, I think that was Dane.
Jordan:I think that was Dane Because Garak, Imogen, zayden, violet, they all have like another signet yeah that's true, but like Dane's this now super powerful. But I'm like when did you become super powerful? Like have you always been?
Fabienne:But then we have five already, because then technically it's Violet, zayden, imogen, apparently, because that happened. Dane has like excess power, maybe Garak, because his second signet is like that he can walk A jumping thing, yeah, which apparently is really powerful. And then we have a hidden six, which Maybe Bodhi. Maybe, Rihanna or Bodhi.
Jordan:I'm thinking Bodhi because he I think he has the second one, has the second signet, maybe heihanna or Bodhi. I'm thinking Bodhi because I think he has the second one, has the second insignia.
Fabienne:Maybe he doesn't, maybe he doesn't. I might have lied, I don't know. We can check.
Jordan:They have like this thing yeah, but not everybody has, because, like Garrett's not on there, I was looking for his.
Fabienne:Is Garrett not on here?
Jordan:No.
Fabienne:No, fuck, he's not.
Jordan:No, huh like why wouldn't he be?
Fabienne:and they put quinn, even though she kills her off, yeah the fuck is that right? What? Where was she? Like the?
Jordan:like the entire book.
Fabienne:I have no fucking idea just waiting in that one stairwell to die yeah, I'm sorry, she was waiting for the venin to show up I, I literally have no idea what that woman was and apparently that was supposed to be like very tragic, like oh, they were going to be friends probably, then like for a really short while. Oh, imogen, I'm dying in your arms. I'm so sorry. I don't know where that came from, but it was just really horribly done um, my uh, yeah, no, fuck, what was I gonna?
Jordan:I was gonna say something, but I hopefully not. Or, oh fuck. I like it was on the tip of my tongue multiple times and then I finally had it about something, about these characters in this book about Quinn, about Riddick, about Garrick, about Auric, about I don't know.
Jordan:Also, to be fair, there were so many characters so many characters and then we started learning last names and I was like fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck, we're out. You remember? We still never. No, I don't remember. But we still don't know who Llewellyn is. Is it a place? Is?
Fabienne:it a person.
Jordan:Is it a dragon? I don't know. You're just as good as mine People.
Fabienne:Is it a dragon? I don't know. Your guess is good as mine. People are confused because I've seen it. It's like a thing now on instagram too. Like, uh, I read onyx storm, I loved it, but I have no idea who this person is. Also someone actually like wait, I have to. I gotta pull this up because when I posted my review, someone actually posted um about thislewellyn person thing, whatever. Samanthaw2761 replied to my Shout out, shout out. Actually it's very kind of her because she said Chapter 49 in Iron Flame flame. The excerpt at the beginning of the chapter talks about llewellyn chapter.
Jordan:Yeah, in iron flame well, I'd like to point out that we learned about llewellyn before chapter 49, um, so maybe that would have been nice before that. Sorry, I'm trying 49, 49. Uh, while wait, the little little x at the top yeah, is this iron flame?
Fabienne:oh, bulldozer girl, wait, wait, I got it, I got, I gotta look it up. No wait, I'm gonna look it up now I have. Okay, did I purchase this from my kindle wait?
Jordan:I think I have it on my kindle, so I think I can look it up wait, can you? Pull it up please, because my face is like freezing on me okay.
Fabienne:So apparently 49 iron flame the excerpt at the beginning of the chapter. Yeah, I think it's like the like 49 you said yes, 49, 49, 49.
Jordan:Okay, flyers and riders are held equal in every regard, with the exception of wing structure. Is this like like the bigger the wings, or this is the thing with the never mind? Riders will maintain their wings, wing selections and squads, as well as retain their commands. Every drift will be absorbed by a squad and their leader will replace the squad's current executive officer. For unit cohesiveness and efficiency Article 2, section 1 of the Artrio Accord board accord art tray I don't know the the continent award it's fine, it's fine, uh-huh you're like stop talking.
Fabienne:I'm so sorry. It just like, you just like kept going and on and on and on, much like honest, fucking storm, mind you. But wait, where? Where does it say about? Where does it explain what the fuck luellen is? Yeah, wait, I'm gonna look it up in real time, like because I think it, I think, like it, like doesn't.
Jordan:This doesn't make any sense. So every drift will be absorbed by a squad. Okay, that makes sense. So like every. Well, I don't know what a drift is, but like, oh my god okay.
Fabienne:So I actually went to reddit because that's apparently the place to be. Obviously. Oh, give it to me, it says it's. It says here. It's common with titles that are named after places, so in this case Llewellyn is a city, or like a province in Turandot or Tyrandor, and the Earl of Llewellyn is the seat of power there, so they call him Llewellyn too but why wouldn't you say the Earl of Llewellyn instead?
Jordan:Like nowhere is anybody else called, like we don't call Zayden Tyrandor or whatever.
Fabienne:I know, rebecca, this is only like three extra words to your fucking manuscript.
Jordan:You know the Earl of, and it adds so much more and it makes the thing is is like I would get it if she's saying it from the fucking beginning, like she's doing these sort of things from the beginning, but no, like she just picks and chooses, like when she does certain things and says certain things that they make no fucking sense. And how would anybody know that, unless they looked it up on reddit, like no one would know that. I just, I mean you as we read, we just assume like okay, now it's a place and it's a person, but like I don't know, this is magic. Maybe these places talk. I don't know so what you?
Fabienne:you can call me amsterdam from now on, because that wouldn't be confusing I'm gonna call you amsterdam from now on.
Jordan:But like, yeah, no, but like, yeah, that's like what doesn't make any sense. Like with her, her books, like if she just had the consistency always there, then yes, please. But it's not and it's but.
Fabienne:Thank you for going to reddit and of course I mean what I gotta do for the podcast, right, and if that's, life researching something I do, I really did. But you know, someone's gotta do it, bro. I don't know where the bro, but where the bro came from. I'm sorry the bro was here and then because I read it. It's like the bro zone it really is. It's all like that, yeah yeah, uh, but uh, that's kind of all that I have on this book for you, that's all.
Jordan:I just I don't know. I feel so bad for anybody listening. That was just like all our thoughts. We didn't even dive into it. We just told you how much we did not like this book, so uh, there wasn't really anything of substance to dive into, so no, you're right, I mean I also. I feel like I finished this and then everything just left my brain. I'm like goodbye world.
Fabienne:I I mean in this case it's really not the worst thing that's happened. It's a good book. That it's sad. But with this I'm, you know, gotta make place for like the new stuff, exactly.
Jordan:I I'll let the old in with the new that's why I really like I wasn't gonna say it when we were like talking in mid-sentence about Onyx Storm but I really want to read that Blood and Steel book because I feel like that they say that like it is like iron, it is fourth wing, it's in this box too, yeah, I, I can't get it.
Fabienne:It's in this box, but it's like Helen and I can't get off your house and grab it.
Jordan:No kidding oh, I'm blood and steel. Yeah, blood, blood and steel but I heard, but like it's like, I guess, like a lot of similar names are in it too, like I heard, but I heard it's like a better version of fourth. So like I really want, want to like read that one okay, okay yeah, but the legends of thesmar interesting. We can just like wrap this episode up, sorry guys um, if you listened to this and loved it. Um, we are happy that you loved it and we are so glad you loved it.
Fabienne:Yeah, good for you.
Jordan:And I hope you get the next book super fucking fast.
Fabienne:Uh-huh, yep, super fucking fast. Okay, bye. Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan:And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us.
Fabienne:So catch you next time.
Jordan:Bye.