The Bookish Hour

First Time Caller by BK Borison

• Jor & Fab • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Our conversation dives into what makes this book both delightful, we explore how the novel's format, which cleverly incorporates radio transcripts into the narrative, enhances the reading experience while other elements like character development left us wanting more. The "single mom" trope feels somewhat underutilized, with Lucie's daughter Maya appearing more as a roommate than a child in many scenes.

The chemistry between characters sparked interesting debate - we found ourselves drawn to the dynamic between Lucie and her ex Grayson, adding complexity to the central romance. We couldn't help but notice the male lead on the cover bears a striking resemblance to actor Theo James, which definitely shaped how we imagined Aiden throughout the story!

Have you read any of BK Borison's books? We'd love to hear your thoughts on this one or recommendations for which of her other novels we should pick up next!

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Jordan:

welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob they are shutting down. Yes, well, I feel like, because zoom is big now, and like all those other videos like skype is just so obsolete. It's so, it's dinosaur era, dinosaur.

Fabienne:

Were you obsessed with dinosaurs too as a kid? Sorry for the random question.

Jordan:

I don't know. I liked that movie Do you know what? Like that cartoon Dinosaur when it was like the dinosaurs and they're like. It's like a baby dinosaur. Oh my gosh, do you know what I'm talking about?

Fabienne:

I know exactly which movie you're talking about. The thing is, though, is that we call he had, like, his little friend, like, which was like a triceratops, and her name was sarah, yes, and he had a leaf like oh my god, oh my god yes, the movie's literally called dinosaur dinosaur.

Fabienne:

It came out. That is not the same movie. This one is like cgi you're talking about, like the animated one, like the animation movie, like this is where, actually, like, the meteor fell and they, you know, they find this valley of sorts where it's all green and lush and they have food. That actually, you know, you're right, you're right.

Jordan:

I did also watch this movie. This is, but you're right, this is a different one, sarah the Dinosaur.

Fabienne:

They're both really good movies.

Jordan:

They're really good movies oh my gosh, my phone's like freaking okay I I can't look it up. My phone's freaking out. So we're just gonna ignore that but yes yes, exactly so, fab, what is your good week?

Fabienne:

what was my good week? I actually had it lined up in the sense of, like I prepared for this and now, all of a sudden, I'm blank. Um, my good week, my good week, my good week? Wait, why don't you go first? Because I honestly do not remember if I have something noteworthy. I think I do, but I can't, I can't remember it fair, fair.

Jordan:

My good week would actually be. I had work presentations last week and they are finally done and I am so excited. I like did mine, we did all of ours and now, like this week started like fresh, which is good, because I feel like work like kind of fell to the wayside because I was working on presentations and then Thursday and Friday were just like shot, so like no work got done, so like now I can finally get back into like the groove of things, which I'm like I'm just so excited they're done.

Fabienne:

Oh yeah.

Jordan:

I can imagine yeah.

Fabienne:

I'm so proud of you for like managing that, like you that having done the presentation like a boss babe.

Jordan:

Thanks no-transcript.

Fabienne:

I had to like actually speak out loud and today we are here, flip the page to discuss. Flip the page.

Jordan:

Yeah, I can't but but that's the thing is, that would have been me if I didn't actually prepare, talk about it out loud with Nick, yeah. So I'm like glad I did, just because it helped me like organize my thoughts that I needed to say for each like slide. But now it's done.

Fabienne:

I have a weird question. Can I see the presentation? Like you said, like it was a powerpoint presentation, is that? Is that like? Can I see?

Jordan:

yes, how am I gonna?

Fabienne:

what question? Mark, I'm gonna see if I can, because it's on my like work computer, so like I need to like no, I can send it to myself, so I will, but I'm I'm just so curious because sometimes you see like those reels on either TikTok or Instagram or you know whatever, and they're like giving a presentation about the work that you do in front of your friends, because nobody knows what their friends are doing for like a living.

Jordan:

They somewhat do on a most like surface level but like the actual like in and out, like outside of their job, like daily tasks, is like I have no idea. I mean that's kind of true. I mean all I know is you do literally the worst profession on the planet uh debatable um. I don't think so speculative, your honor. I don't. I don't think so.

Fabienne:

I'm I'm pretty pretty positive yeah, you've experienced it firsthand from the other side of the job. Yeah, it's fine, it's okay, but I want to see the presentation. I want to see what you said to your peers in the workforce.

Jordan:

You want me to actually present it to you.

Fabienne:

Well, not right now. Obviously you also don't have to do it afterwards, but I'm just really curious about how that I want to do now oh my god, now I want maybe not here, no on the podcast no, but yes, I am genuinely curious, okay gotta do it before I forget everything. And then I'm like you can even like black out the screen so you don't have like the feeling that you're actually presenting it to me. If that makes it more or less.

Jordan:

Well, I had to stand in front of everybody and present it so like doing it over a screen is going to be 10 times better.

Fabienne:

Okay, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true. Yeah, but good for you for having that done.

Jordan:

Thank you Now. Thank you now now. Did you remember your good week?

Fabienne:

no, I generally did not. Probably we'll figure out what I wanted to say like mid podcast, but right now I have no idea we'll take a small intermission of this episode to discuss your good week, if you remember it.

Jordan:

But then does this mean you want to get into what this episode?

Fabienne:

is about?

Jordan:

yes, I do do you want to tell the listeners what this podcast is about?

Fabienne:

fob we are well shit. I had like an entire like thing sort of prepared for this. I wanted to say goodnight or welcome here.

Jordan:

Baltimore. Oh my God, oh, oh, hello. Wait, how does he even fucking do it? Hello Baltimore.

Fabienne:

No, hello, welcome back to.

Jordan:

Heartstrings. Welcome back to the bookish hour. Everybody, we're so happy to have you listening.

Fabienne:

Thank you for joining us on this fine day. Slash evening night situation.

Jordan:

Um we are discussing exactly first time caller by bk borison borison yes, yes, before right well, yeah, so I read um love light farms, which is like her Christmas book, and but I never continued the series.

Fabienne:

Why is that? I don't know Because I read those are wrinkling.

Jordan:

Well, because I read Christmas Tree Farm. No Well, christmas Tree Farm is Taylor Swift's song Love Light Farms, like during Christmas time. So I wasn't going to continue the series Farms, um, like during Christmas time. So I wasn't going to continue the series when it will, like during Christmas time. But and it's a really cute Christmas book. But then I just like never got back into it because I think the second one didn't interest me but I heard the last one in the series is like really good, but then we got we got this one. So what are your thoughts on? Because this is your first bk borson but it is.

Fabienne:

It is. I have to say I am curious to read more of hers um, I will say that this might not have been the best book to start her. Like her writing.

Jordan:

I okay.

Fabienne:

Okay.

Jordan:

I'm so I think we really weirdly, but I think we I think we have similar thoughts, because I think this I thought it was cute, it's a cute story, but I think I mean people are going to kind of see, like the book we did before this was deep end and I think I just had such a better experience with that book that this one kind of fell flat, like that one I was. I wanted to keep reading this one. I was like I'm only reading so I can finish for Tuesday that's what it's cute.

Fabienne:

It is definitely cute. It's like I I obviously well, not obviously, but I'm pretty sure that you've seen it Like I already uploaded my Refuse to Be Romantic, if not like a little bit cheesy here and there, but really cute moments as well. But I also felt like some of those moments were too cliche, like I like the premise of, you know, an anti-romantic falling in love, um, but it does, I don't know, it does steer toward like the cliche is like the actual word I'm looking for. You know, there are lots of instances where I'm like, aiden, honey, you should just go to therapy and not just, like you know, ice out. Um, see, I already forgot her name. What's her name? Lucy? So I don't know. There were some moments where I'm like I'm curious, well, if that was the best option for you to do, or have you seen sleep in seattle?

Jordan:

I've never seen the movie, but I can't tell if this is just like super, if that's why this book was like this, because it's a lot like that. I mean it says it's inspired by it, but I don't know.

Fabienne:

Yeah, I don't know.

Jordan:

But I've never seen the movie?

Fabienne:

I don't think I have either.

Jordan:

Okay, so like I don't. I didn't know if that played into it, but okay, I do want to make one note. Who does the guy on the cover look like? Does he look like somebody to you, like celebrity wise?

Fabienne:

I first thought like Theo James a little bit yes, yes.

Jordan:

So the whole time I'm picturing Theo James as Aiden which I wasn't mad about it, except like when he would get like super cheesy and like the, especially at the end, when he's like confessing his love to her I was like theo james wouldn't say it like this, even though all I'm picturing as theo james is four from divergent. So I'm like james wouldn't say that, but it did. It did make me. I did enjoy reading aiden, because I was picturing theo james to the point like he looks so much like Theo James that I even asked Nick. I was like who does this guy look?

Fabienne:

like to you.

Jordan:

Does he look like somebody to you? And he goes kind of looks like Theo James and I was like yes. So I think everybody I'm like did you like basically go to the artist being like can you do a dude for me but make it look like Theo James?

Fabienne:

copy my whole work but don't make it obvious type of style yes, but they made it obvious really obvious. Wait, do you think that she looks like someone in particular? Then too no, did you no, I'm trying to actually look for it now in her face, but I don't think that she does look like anybody he looks obvious but I did okay.

Jordan:

Sorry, this episode's gonna be all over the place. I did love that is fine when he calls and he goes long time listener, first time caller, and I was like idle drop.

Fabienne:

That was cute. Like, like I said before, like there are, there are really definitely a lot of moments where I'm like this is adorable and that's why I think it still is like a really good contemporary, like like light, fluffy romance. You know, like it's cute, it's not spicy, it's just like fluffy, it's steamy. Here and there there are obviously, like you know, some kissy, kissy scenes, um, but it's not, but it's not okay. So even someone 13, um I don't know, he gave me the ick oh, he did he did?

Fabienne:

he did remember you've seen um, uh, kristen bell's series. That was so good. Uh, this is not. This is not for you or something. This is with um, ed and brody. Oh, oh, sort of podcast series, yes fuck what was?

Jordan:

oh, because, because, fuck. I know what you're talking. What the fuck is the title?

Fabienne:

I have no idea, but remember how she fights, tries to fight this ick that she has for, like the hot you know, rabbi, yes, I couldn't. I couldn't get past it, for somebody wants?

Fabienne:

it. Nobody wants this, that's it. That's it, thank you. I was like, oh no, oh no, he was just too. This is gonna make me sound really bad, because apparently I want to have like only unavailable, like emotionally unavailable people around me, but he was too well. No, actually he was actually emotionally unavailable pretty much throughout the whole story, because there was also this really weird third act, somewhat sort of breakup, which wasn't actual yeah, actually a breakup because they were never together, but there was such like a weird reason too yeah, it was like a very short like.

Jordan:

You know how we were talking like last book there we couldn't the clock, like the climax was all over the place. I felt like this climax was like so short because they were fine and it was still like 60 pages left. So you knew something was going to happen quickly and it was going to be resolved quickly, which I wasn't totally here for. I think this one would have been a great one to be, just from her point of view, because I think her, the way she like didn't know what he wanted and he wasn't very good about talking about his feelings and things like that.

Jordan:

I think if bk would have just had this book from lucy's point of view and then did like the epilogue from his point of view, I think that would have been a lot better and like cause basically his point of view could have been from her point of view and just explained like, especially like when he's like talking about how he like had to when he called his dad to explain like I'm broken. Like he could have like had a when he called his dad to explain like I'm broken. Like he could have like had a conversation with her at like in her point of view and been like I needed to like fix myself first. So I think personally this could have been a lot better, but I still thought it was cute. Like I gave this one four stars, like I think this is still like a cute story I'm happy I read it right like I, I enjoyed it.

Jordan:

I enjoyed it. It was like a little bit of. I think this would have taken me a lot longer to read if it wasn't for the podcast, and I think I might have possibly like switched to audio at some point. Just, to like possibly but I didn't, I read the whole thing. I read the whole thing.

Fabienne:

I didn't applause, thank you well done, well done. The thing. Also, like with like aiden calling his dad, like we didn't know throughout the entire story, we have never, like met his dad. We only had his mom on the phone for a few like lines. So him basically pouring out his heart to his dad, like how he met Lucy and how he fell for her and how he's questioning like the notion of love, like the entire concept of it all, I'm like I can't find my, I can't place myself in that moment when he was talking to his dad, because we hadn't seen his dad before. Like there, there was no connection there for the reader to connect to, either aidan or you know. Like possibly like a dad in that sense.

Fabienne:

Um, also just the entire lack of familial discussions. I know that this is also like a single mom book, trope-wise, but there were so few scenes between her and Maya. Was it Maya? I think Maya is her daughter's name, yeah, yeah, I'm like that could have been a little bit more. Also, there were two scenes not even two scenes, well, two between Maya and Aiden, and then all of a sudden he's like I want your people to be my people too, which I thought actually was a great line. I loved the adorable, but it came also out of the blue.

Jordan:

Yeah, and it's not like they even talked about her, like it wasn't like. I have this daughter. It was almost like she was just like thrown into the mix. I do agree with you there and like I just like thrown into the mix I do agree with you there and like I feel like I love Lucy's character.

Fabienne:

Like.

Jordan:

I loved her chapters. I loved everything that she made Lucy Like I love that she was a mechanic, I like that she was a single mom and she was a young mom.

Jordan:

So then, she basically like the the mechanic shop took her in and like, let let's like work on. Like I'm going to help you work like this out, we'll teach you. Like you're going to be a great mom. Like I loved that aspect of it. Yeah, and I even liked her relationship with her. Like Grayson Like, yeah, like the baby daddy, like however he like worded it, like I liked their relationship and I even liked that. Yeah, like the baby daddy.

Fabienne:

Like however he like worded it, like I liked their relationship and I even liked that, like they had more chemistry than she and Aiden.

Jordan:

To be really honest, that's like what didn't make any sense to me. And then I liked, yeah, especially like when he was like standing up for her because like she was like being stood up on these dates. So I like liked everything that Lucy was, but I feel like Aiden kind of fell flat for me in a way uh, yeah, like it would come to his chapters and I'd be like, oh, let's go back to Lucy's chapters, like no, but there were. I, I agree like there were moments that I'm like that was really cute.

Fabienne:

There was definitely chemistry, but it was just underdeveloped, I think. Yeah, there was more like there was like more tension.

Jordan:

Well, not even I think there was like less tension, because I feel like it couldn't be dived into more, like I think, if it was solely from one point of view. I think yeah, she could have dived into like, like lucy, feeling this attraction to aiden and it like building, but not knowing that aiden there was also, just like so many guys, because then, like even the guy at the shop, I'm like this is really, is really random.

Jordan:

Oh yeah, like thrown in there Like you know he's coming back because this is fucking weird, and then all the other guys like stand her up, like it's just. It was a very odd premise.

Jordan:

I think like she should have gone on these dates instead of like guys standing her up fair point, I actually agree like and I can like, and even if some of them were like, okay, but there was just like no magic, yeah, and then at the end to be like there's, there isn't magic, I was like what did you like read that part where she was like, oh yeah, no, she's like I was just looking for magic as an excuse to not settle for anything less.

Fabienne:

That's basically what it comes down to, like honey, the magic part that you said in the beginning. That's correct.

Jordan:

You have to look for the magic Don't scramble back please. Exactly. I was like you even talk about how, or even Aiden's talked about how. You are the magic and I'm like there is magic. What are you talking about? What are you doing?

Fabienne:

He was trying to unscramble her scrambled eggs.

Jordan:

Yeah, and even Grayson was like don't fit yourself into a box to fit Aiden. I was like some of it didn't totally connect. I think, though. I think this one would have been better for us if we read this first and then Deep End, though, and I think so, I think we would have liked this one more, and then I think we would have even loved Deep End more.

Fabienne:

Better. Yeah Well, that's the crux of you know doing buddy reads and you know reading authors that I haven't read before and that you may or may not have read before either. It's a gamble, honey. It's a gamble, this buddy read life.

Jordan:

It is, but I still think it was cute. Like again, I still overall enjoyed it. I mean, like I said, it's a very lighthearted type of romance and I think if you're into that and I guess. I'm into it actually too, because I really did enjoy it, but I didn't give it any more stars than three and a half.

Fabienne:

Okay, fair, I was just going to ask you what your star rating was oh three and a half 3.5.

Fabienne:

I like it. I think the main, like the biggest issue that I book is like the chemistry being underdeveloped, it not being a single perspective narrative like from Lucy's. There's too few scenes between her and Maya for it to be like a single mom trope like book. Also, I think just the overall relationships between or like among all the characters is a little bit underdeveloped. I think if the focus would have been there and then on Lucy actually going on set dates and then herself like finding out for herself that you know, aiden is possibly maybe the guy for her, and then I think that would have been that would have made this book a little bit better if not more.

Jordan:

I, I agree, and because, like, going back to Maya, it almost seemed like Maya was this like roommate of hers, like Lucy never took her to school, never picked her up from school, she never did any of the things that like a mom would do, so it was almost like I. That's why I almost wonder, I actually I wonder if this story was different at one point in the sense of like maybe Maya was a roommate and Grayson, and like like Mateo, were like the next door neighbors, but Grayson was her ex, but they were like really good friends. And then either an editor or somebody told her like you should have Maya be the daughter instead of a roommate, because, you're right, it Maya almost like doesn't fit as a kid and the way she's like talking to like it was odd. As for like an 11, an 11 12-year-old.

Fabienne:

Uh-huh.

Jordan:

Like most of them are like ew cooties and she was like did you bang? She didn't say it like that, but it was like some euphemism for banging and I was like why would a 12-year-old wouldn't think that a 12 year old would be like eww cooties?

Fabienne:

I'm not speaking for all 12 year olds here, but like well, definitely Gen Z 12 year olds, apparently not millennials 12 year olds, cause, with pigtails I never know I can get what's. The difference is so huge. Oh my goodness. Yes, that is true, but I am wait, wait. I have to ask because now my brain is just like going off like this sidetrack. When you were 12, did you also like perform for your friends, like when you were doing like karaoke and then you would choreograph, or how do you?

Jordan:

say, like dance, and then just perform yeah and then.

Fabienne:

Oh, my goodness, do people still do?

Jordan:

that is that no, I think it ended with us.

Fabienne:

It ended with us oh, my goodness, oh yeah, oh, no wait, they post about it now on tiktok. That's, that's the difference.

Jordan:

That's the difference, and they make money yeah, that's the difference and they look way better like the 12 and like 15 year olds.

Fabienne:

Honey, they have like a 50 step like skincare routine yeah, just like, and I was slather on like an entire jar of nivia and I'd be I'd be good to go, yeah. Yeah, good times, good times.

Jordan:

Fucking great times. It's fine, it's fine, it's totally fine.

Fabienne:

I'm sorry, I cut you off before we went on this side quest, sorry. What do you want to say? Yeah, sorry. What do you want to say, babe? I don't know what was I saying I don't know something about the side characters. I heard like gr, so maybe grayson, maybe mateo, maybe a possible thought. Who do you?

Jordan:

think is going to be like the next book we are still on the same wavelength.

Fabienne:

Um, I think it's gonna be jackson unfortunately. Wait, why do you say unfortunately? Because I think he's like such like a goofy, not likable type of person. He's like too cringy and I can't.

Jordan:

I can't do cringy middleman characters the thing is is like what's hot about the letter? So I'm like why? But I feel like, unless delilah I think it's delilah it might not be oh yeah, there was, yeah, no, no, no, it was. She was mentioned a couple times like unless, like she's fucking amazing new york city city. But I think, yeah, I kind of agree, like I think His book would need to be very funny and I don't want to learn Anything about weather.

Fabienne:

No.

Jordan:

I don't need to know.

Fabienne:

About tornadoes or what storms or you know, lava.

Jordan:

Lava.

Fabienne:

He was talking about Vol, about volcanoes, right at one point.

Jordan:

Yeah, and they live in baltimore or maryland and there's no volcanoes. Yeah, so that means that you can't talk about volcanoes ever, apparently nope, but so do you think you would pick up the next book, or do you think you would like?

Fabienne:

Well, I would definitely give it a try, because I did Again, apart from all the things that I you know.

Jordan:

That I had.

Fabienne:

I did like the writing style. Ok, I like the formatting. I really I don't think that the next book is going to have like the same actual formatting as this one, because I'm not sure. Wait, jackson doesn't have its own.

Jordan:

Yeah, he's yeah, but it's different, like because but I do, I agree, like I loved the like random, like clearly this is like when they're recording and then who's like talking. Of course, this is when Jackson's talking about freezing rain. That's the one I pulled up and very interesting I, so I loved this. Yeah, that was cute, that was cute, that was cute oh, I'm sorry that was a burp oh, let it out, let it out oh well, I'll, I shall not, you'd be afraid.

Fabienne:

Um, I wanted to say something else too About this book. Why am I so?

Jordan:

Forgetful today. Okay, it's like late.

Fabienne:

I'm sorry. No, no, no it's still in the middle eight o'clock. This doesn't matter. I do really. I do well at eight apparently only just not today honestly, I saw someone like ask um in the group chat this um earlier today, like he was gonna meet us like at the at like this pop quiz thing today for sorry, very random anecdote and like oh, how late is that? Oh, you know, 10, 30, like at night or like in the morning.

Jordan:

I think it's a little too late for me I'd rather not.

Fabienne:

I'd rather not. Um, but'd rather not. But no, I don't know what. Wait, oh no, I thought. I thought I remember what I wanted to say, what my good thing was this week, but also not. Oh my goodness, I really have like Swiss cheese for a brain. I do apologize for that.

Jordan:

Okay, it happens to the best of us.

Fabienne:

Yeah, I do now. Oh no, no wait. I do now. Oh no, no wait, I do know, I do know, I do know. Tell me, oh my God, tell me. The new Suzanne Collins book is out today. Oh my God, I'm so excited. That was my good week. I bought it.

Jordan:

Oh, I'm so jealous. Fuck, maybe I'm going to go get it after this. Honestly, you should well, I'm in a sweatsuit, I'm in taylor swift's sweatsuit.

Fabienne:

But is that your pete? Oh, no, wait, peaches. Yes, no sweatshirt but it's only like three my time yeah, you have the rest of the entire day of you ahead of you. Is it love you? Is it crescent?

Jordan:

I'm sorry, I was looking at your necklace actually this is what I got when I was visiting, you remember, in Utrecht yes, yes, yeah, the really cute, the really cutesy city with also the canals where we were sitting, like down canals sideways.

Fabienne:

Just say yes, just nod and say yes, please, okay, fantastic, it was good of you, honey, fantastic, yeah, thanks, you're most welcome.

Jordan:

But I am so excited I want to read that. Should we buddy read that one? Do we buddy read that one, or do we just no, no, no um?

Fabienne:

wait, how about we read it separately and then, if we have finished it? Then we do it yeah how does a buddy read wait? I want to look separately what I wanted to look up like the definition for a buddy read. Wait, I want to look. Can we read it separately? What I wanted to look up the definition for a buddy read, read stories separately and then discuss it afterwards. So basically a buddy read.

Jordan:

But without it being like no pressure, like you don't need to read it Exactly yeah, exactly.

Jordan:

Exactly, I didn't realize. Okay, a buddy read involves two or more people agreeing to read the same book and discuss it together, either during or after reading, often offering a more social and engaging reading experience. So it doesn't say like okay, a buddy read is essentially a mini book club where you and a friend or a group of friends choose a book and read it simultaneously, allowing for shared discussions and reactions. Still no separately. Sorry, okay, I just had to like wait did you think of what you wanted to say for first time caller?

Fabienne:

no, no, that thought has long gone fair. But but I would still recommend it because I, like the, I really enjoy an author and an illustrator who, you know, put so much effort in their book like the cover, the format, entire thing. I loved it Would still actually, like I said, recommend it, recommend it, but there were some issues with this book, most definitely, yes, I do actually really, like I said, recommended, recommended, but there were some issues with this book?

Jordan:

Most definitely. Yes, I do actually really like the cover. Like I'm excited to have it on my bookshelf, like I think it's so cute. But I actually like all of her covers. Like I love all the covers to the Lovelight series, like Lovelight Farms In the Weeds McSignal Business Casual, like all of those covers are so cute and so hopefully the next book in this series is fucking cute, it better be.

Fabienne:

Well, I hope it's going to be like the same artist I'd hope so too because I you know how I don't really do well with illustrated covers with like cartoony people yeah, this is, this is cute. This is really cute. I feel like this is a short one, as in like the episode. I'm sorry.

Jordan:

I think it's because we didn't totally love the book but we liked it, Like we recommend it and I'm assuming- everybody liked it and did not love it. Yeah, Three and a half four stars, Like pretty solid, pretty solid. Hopefully everybody listening to this like also liked it, or something.

Fabienne:

Or something. Thank you, baltimore, for listening, and if you don't have anything else to say as well, jordan, then I'd say good night.

Jordan:

Night, oh people, then I'd say good night. Night, oh people.

Fabienne:

Thank you so much for listening.

Jordan:

And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you can find us.

Fabienne:

So catch you next time.

Jordan:

Bye.